Israel’s West Bank wall is 440 miles long. How many thousands of miles must our wall be?
And there are heavily armed Israeli soldiers on BOTH sides of that wall.
Lastly, the claim that their wall is responsible for the decline in suicide bombings is false - fake news . Check out this chart.
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Source: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs...icide-bombings
James
Loving life in Austin
Ask any Israeli if they regret building one.
How does the wall stop Airplanes ?
Student never leaves
Tourist never leaves.
What’s the stats on illegals that over stayed compared to snuck in ?
Will we also build a wall in the Canadian border ?
Will smugglers start using ocean entry?
What about tunnels.?
Just how much is the true cost of this wall ?
And
What is the expectations on illegal decline ?
Well, that proves my point: it is a waste. Pay for it and have to pay even more to outsource to others. But than again, they probably stick it to the U.S. of A. as Defense budget stuff.Originally Posted by gfejunkie
Thanks again for the link. Barriers like these of late are not remembered fondly.
I don't think the same response will be given here.
Will always PM from this or the other site as initial contact.
My Huckleberry
No, I’m not contributing, but I think it’s a great idea. Let the deplorables waste their money on the idea a useless boondoggle. It’s all a fraud anyway. Funds donated to the Federal government can’t be earmarked for a specific purpose, but go into general revenue, in any event.
https://nypost.com/2018/12/20/border...llions-raised/
But that’s less money in the hands of bad guys to support Republican office seekers.
in my thought processes, the concern is that trump is focusing on ONE solution to the bigger problem of immigration and security.
instead of saying "let's work to control who comes in to our country", he seems to be thinking that a wall will solve the immigration problem. remember he used to say (paraphrased) "our country is so messed up. only i can fix it!"
that's what we get when we toss critical thinking aside and focus on quick unexamined solutions.
but he is kinda smart. it's just not clear to me what his end game is. sink the stock market cos he shorted it? create major chaos so that he can declare martial law? screw up the country so bad he asks russia and china to "save" us. i dont know what his end game is.
it's always afternoon!!
have fun out there.
dont let the negatives get you down.
that's what his rabid base insisted Obama would do.. create chaos and declare martial law, so Trump would not take his place as President. absolute poppycock. Trump has lied continuously since day one, and his false Inauguration numbers.. his end game is publicity, I think.
Ok, so what will the wall cost? It is estimated to cost around 25 Billion, but being government funded we can all probably agree it will most likely be over budget, so say 30-35 Billion.
There is a section of wall in San Diego that the Democrats approved and already built many years ago in the late 90’s and early 2000’s, when they ironically were saying the very exact things about immigration as Trump is saying today (please research them and see what they were saying). Anyway it is being reported that section of wall has stopped 90+% of the illegal crossings into San Diego area, hence why almost all of the caravan that were waiving their country’s flags (not the US flag) that we all watched on the news is still stuck in Tijuana. Don’t see it on the news much anymore since it was stopped.
One could say that 90% is a pretty good number for a small section of a fairly good wall built. Imagine an even better and longer wall, what that could potentially stop. Most of all the other border fencing is very low budget and easily breached. In all honesty that was probably the intent, make it look like the politicians tried but make it so people could easily get through.
But let’s lower the 90% for the San Diego wall down to just 50% stoppage of illegal crossings. Just 50% improvement will save the American tax payers around $64 Bilion from just welfar and social services spending in just 10 years. That alone would pay for 2 walls, so if you really look at it the wall would pay for itself with just this alone. Imagine the number if it stopped 90+%...
Another cost savings and potential funding for a wall... it costs the American taxpayers 155-245 Billion annually (each and every year) just to make sure the illegal immigrants are taken care of and actually better off than many, many, many American Citizens! Stop that nonsense and we can have 5-8 walls in just 1 year! But since we only need 1 good wall, think of all the wonderful things that saved money could do for our American citizens in need, our inner cities, our schools, our infrastructure, our taxes, our opiate addiction, our national debt...
We already do all the heavy lifting and pay for most of the UN aid anyway so how would that cost us much if anything to have them help root out tunnels? Like Israel, why not have the armed military positioned along the border wall? Stopping just 50% would more than pay for the wall, the maintenance, and the military men and women! It pays for itself and then some.
The awesome Coast Guard does their best to stop all the boats coming in, sure a few get past but they are pretty dang good at what they do. With some of the money the wall could be saving us we could fund them a lot more and they could do even a better job.
Sure a few small planes get through. But take some of the excesss savings the wall would be providing and invest in better radar and intelligence and some fighter jet mite, and that number would drastically go down.
Since 1972 the government has built over 3000 miles of “sound walls” along our highways to protect nearby home owners and apartment renters and businesses from traffic noise. These walls cost about 2 Million a mile which is right around 6 Billion. If the government can spend 6 Billion to protect us from “traffic noise” why can’t they spend 5 Billion or even 30 Billion to protect our borders, our lives, our livelihoods, our opiate addiction, our national debt?
If walls do not work...are all our prisoners staying in our prisons voluntarily?
If you don’t think the wall will work let’s see who a wall has worked for over time...
The Vatican
Israel
China
Belfast
Spain
Morocco
Cypres
Hungary
Greece
Turkey/Syrian boarder
Saudi Arabia
India-Bangladesh
And 60+ other countries.
Walls also seem to work very well for...
Celebrities
Millionaires
Billionaires
Prisons
Large Companies and Corporations
Businesses
Private residences
Apartment and Condo Complexes
Military bases
Area 51
So if you are really against the border wall...what about tearing down your walls/fences and removing any and all of your security measures, and keep your doors unlocked all of the time day and night. None of us would ever do that so why should we do that with our Nation and leave our borders wide open and unprotected?
Let’s do immigration the legal way, the right way, the affordable way, the way our great great grandparents, great grandparents, grandparents, and our mothers and fathers did it. We have a fair and balanced legal immigration process and those that follow the rule of law are welcomed and have the potential for a great life. Those that cut the line and do not want to follow the rule of law and think we should pay them to be here, is illegal and just wrong and you know it. You may not admit it but you know it is wrong. All are welcome the legal way.
Pretty sure we all would get a little cranky, maybe even down right pissed, if we were standing in a very long slow moving line at Disney on a hot summer day and a few rowdy teenagers or a large family decided to cut line and expected us to let them and even buy them a lemonade and a picture at the end of the ride. What’s the difference really with cutting in on the immigration line? Let’s corridor off the border and get everyone in line to come in the right way.
Who doesn’t have a wall and how are they doing? France, England, Germany...
Why would we ever need a Canadian wall?
Anyway just some more thoughts to chew on. I am pretty sure some of us will have to agree to disagree, but that doesn’t mean we still can’t be friends.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
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So if they raise the $5Bn, how does it go to the project?
The gofundme page is a stunt.
Better chance at redemption by pledging it to a TV preacher. Errr, a different TV preacher.
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