alot off topic

[tkdbf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ilike2berimmed @ Mar 1 2009, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

It&#39;s just like the housing projects they were ment for "temporary assistance" till you are able to save up money and live on your own. You have people who live a life time in these things. They need to regulate the system a lot better than they are doing.[/b]

That is the point that a lot of people fail to understand. That it&#39;s not the programs that are the problem. The programs if used correctly are very helpful to those in need of them. The problem is that they are regulated so little that low-life scum too lazy to work and provide for themselves abuise the system so that they have to work very little, if at all in most cases. There will always be two sides to argue this point and unless our pathetic excuse for a government makes the right changes it will continue to get worse with every generation.

[cheeto]

well.... weather you agree or disagree,atleast I got some feedback to justify that Im not the only one noticing this crap. also got some good traffic on the site. not many wanna talk about these things because were growing to cater to special interest groups. I have googled this topic many different ways and found out its not just a american problem,most european countries are experiencing the same issues. take care!

[bodilly]

I have first hand knowlege of the way the system gets abused. I have an older sister that has been on the governments tit since she left our house. Between the churches and all the other entitlements she milks the system every chance she gets. I don&#39;t even answer the phone anymore because she always has a sad story and her hand out.
Yet if you go to her she has a freezer full of food and if her or her kids sneeze one time they are at the doctors office.

There are some laborors that work with me sometime that do the same thing.The part that really gets my goat is the earned income credit. One guy that works with us has 5 kids. His girlfriend is on all the government programs. He will only work enough to get qualified for the earned income credit on each child. Cheeto if you got frustrated standing in a grocery line. I magine how I felt with him telling he gets between 6 and 10 thousand back every year. I had to write a check for 15 grand last year.

Thats double dipping.In my mind I don&#39;t separate between black and white but more along the lines of being an assett to society or a burden.

Gdiddy I use to deliver furniture in Atlanta and was in and out of every government housing they had. I saw both people that were truly in need.I also brought high end leather furniture to folks with plenty of luxury vehicles in the parking lot to so that argument don&#39;t stand up.

[BIG C]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gdiddy @ Mar 1 2009, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

HOLY FUCK! Is this a board about finding time and companionship with the ladies or is it gonna turn into another Fox News blog site? I can agree that there are people out there who abuse the system, but I&#39;ve heard several variations of this story before and it&#39;s always some "enraged" person who can&#39;t stand the fact that there are people on public assistance at all. How about you just buy YOUR groceries and go on with your day?. Getting bent out of shape about it isn&#39;t gonna change it. If anyone is brave enough to drive through any of the public housing areas in New Orleans, I don&#39;t think you are going to see fleets of luxury cars either. It&#39;s funny how a "revolution" is encouraged by the ultra rich talking heads who portray themselves as common men by playing to your fears that someone out there is is getting something for nothing.[/b]

I dunno, I kinda see cheeto&#39;s point here (although I might not agree with him totally).....I can remember once many years ago when I was in the supermarket and the lady in front of me was purchasing steaks, filets and things of that nature, and I almost shit a brick when she pulled out food stamps to pay for them.....The very thought that went through my head was "WTF??!!??.....Hell, here I am working two jobs to put food on the table for my kids and you can best believe that I wasn&#39;t out there buying expensive cuts of meat while the taxpayers are paying for it".....The person buying the candy and snacks like that MIGHT, JUST MIGHT have a lot of kids and I don&#39;t have a problem with someone buying treats for their kids.....I have always believed that you have to let kids be kids and the grownups are the ones who are supposed to be worrying about stupid shit like the economy.....But someone going out to buy filets, NY Strip, etc., and doing so at the taxpayer&#39;s expense is inexcusable in my book.....Those expensive cuts of meat are luxury items and should be purchased ONLY at your expense and not at public expense.....

I remember about 2 or 3 weeks after that I read something in the newspaper where a lady was responding to someone who made a complaint about this exact same thing that I had witnessed and was angry about and her response was "She believes she&#39;s entitled to purchase those expensive cuts of meats to treat her family every now and then after they&#39;ve been through a very stressful week, or because every now and then she thinks she deserves something special, blah, blah, fucking blah"......Well goddamn then.....We should make the law state that BIG C should be able to take his family out to a 5 Star restaurant and treat them to a very expensive meal, and then be able to spend the night in a 5 Star hotel once a week and have the taxpayers foot the bill.....How fucking ridiculous the notion that taxpayers are responsible and should pay for me and my family to have luxurious items instead of items of necessity.....

And DON&#39;T get me started about that asinine $700B bailout crap because I&#39;d go on forever and ever and I don&#39;t need to have my blood pressure going up over that nonsense.....lol

[dave69 (no longer active here)]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gdiddy @ Mar 1 2009, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

....How about you just buy YOUR groceries and go on with your day?. Getting bent out of shape about it isn&#39;t gonna change it. If anyone is brave enough to drive through any of the public housing areas in New Orleans, I don&#39;t think you are going to see fleets of luxury cars either. It&#39;s funny how a "revolution" is encouraged by the ultra rich talking heads who portray themselves as common men by playing to your fears that someone out there is is getting something for nothing.[/b]

When I buy my groceries and pay my state and federal income taxes, I&#39;m paying for those who refuse to get off their lazy asses and earn their keep. I&#39;ve got no problem with helping those who are truly needy, but those are few and far between. And if you think the "revolution" is encouraged by the rich, then you must have the same belief that Obama has in that $250,000 is rich. It&#39;s not those "who portray themselves as common men" it IS the common man that has the problem with those who could and should do for themselves but choose not to. I don&#39;t come close to $250K and I work hard for my money. If you want it, earn it. Don&#39;t steal it from me because you&#39;re a freeloading, lazy piece of shit. If we don&#39;t get bent out of shape about it, it only gets worse and worse. How about you give me your paycheck every week. You don&#39;t seem to need it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gdiddy @ Mar 1 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I find it highly unlikely that anyone would be on public assistance for half a century.....[/b]

Obviously, you don&#39;t live in New Orleans. Ever been to the projects? There is generational public assistance - grandmother lives there, her adult kids live there, her teenaged grandkids live there and her great-grandkids live there. 50 years is the norm, not the exception. And you have driven by the projects, there are many vehicles way more expensive than mine all around. I wish I could afford some of the vehicles I&#39;ve seen there. No Expedition with rims in my driveway.

[cheeto]

BIG C I gotta tell ya,when I saw you comented on this topic,I thought you were coming to chew asses,lol. I was actually waiting for it. only because its not excatly what were on here for. its all relative to me,people buying food thats not meant to be bought on these cards. I will say,the WIC program is not too bad here,theres only certain things you can get,and its mostly generic. food stamps should be the same way.hey,Im not a newbie anymore,woo hoo!!!

[gdiddy]

Yes that argument does stand up. I didn&#39;t say no one who is on public assistance(or the public tit if you prefer) is driving a luxury vehicle. I said if you drive through the projects in New Orleans, it won&#39;t look like you were transported to a Mercedes Benz showroom. I grew up in the projects and went to college and busted my ass getting a career and a real life so that I would never have to live anywhere like that again. There were some miserable, unhappy souls living there whose whole life revolved around their next handout, but that doesn&#39;t represent everyone. However to all the fair and balanced ditto head types out there, I&#39;m sure I&#39;ll never convince them that I earned my way out of there without affirmative action or the government&#39;s help. It isn&#39;t a color thing, it&#39;s a poverty thing and the girl that IL2BR encoutered would have been rude and crude regardless what her race was.

[dave69 (no longer active here)]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BIG C @ Mar 1 2009, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

.....Well goddamn then.....We should make the law state that BIG C should be able to take his family out to a 5 Star restaurant and treat them to a very expensive meal, and then be able to spend the night in a 5 Star hotel once a week and have the taxpayers foot the bill.....How fucking ridiculous the notion that taxpayers are responsible and should pay for me and my family to have luxurious items instead of items of necessity.....[/b]

Big C,

If their providing the 5 star hotel, shouldn&#39;t they provide the escort for the in-room entertainment as well? That&#39;s the kind of welfare I could live with!

[BIG C]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cheeto @ Mar 1 2009, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

BIG C I gotta tell ya,when I saw you comented on this topic,I thought you were coming to chew asses,lol. I was actually waiting for it. only because its not excatly what were on here for.[/b]

I&#39;m not sure why anyone would be surprised because I don&#39;t ever recall quashing any topic on ASPD as long as it wasn&#39;t something that everyone should know is taboo.....We have discussed sports, politics, and pretty much everything else one can think of.....It&#39;s all good as long as everyone can continue to be adults and intelligent when making their arguments.....

[rpmsouth]

Welfare was started by Pres Johnson in 1965. He called it the great society. The racial thing isn&#39;t really there. there are more single white women with kids on welfare and all the programs than blacks, it just seems we see more of one than the other. Possibly because the white ladies are ashamed of being on it. When I was young there was no assistance at all you either worked or suffered, the strong survived.Our new Pres is just making it worse, more people are looking for free hand outs. Big C I agree with you about don&#39;t get me started on the BAILOUT, it&#39;s more like a 4 tire blowout at high speed. Our goverment is out of control and if someone has a better idea other than revolution let me know, the election process isn&#39;t working we keep getting more crooks after we get rid of one. The Roman Empire did fall, When Mexico goes under where are all the people going? Across the border and watch what happens then.

[atlcomedy]

I&#39;ve noticed way less of this than in the past, prior to when they monitored all these programs electronically (e.g. you get like the equilivant of a debit card instead of actual "stamps")

One reason some may buy highend or name brand items is those are much more desirable for resale as in the neighbor that has other unreported commerce says to the welfare mom, "Hey, you go pick up 6 of them steaks and I&#39;ll give you x, y or z"

As for the nutrition choices, it is more expensive to eat healthy. I also blame it on poor nutritional understanding as well as lazy parenting (as in she won&#39;t shut up unless I get her Doritos)

[BIG C]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (atlcomedy @ Mar 2 2009, 02:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

As for the nutrition choices, it is more expensive to eat healthy. I also blame it on poor nutritional understanding as well as lazy parenting (as in she won&#39;t shut up unless I get her Doritos)[/b]

See, like I said before, I really don&#39;t have a problem with a parent buying snacks and treats for their kids.....I believe kids should be kids and they should have candy and chips and stuff like that (not as a complete meal, but for treats on occasions).....Why should kids have to suffer their childhoods because adults have fucked up the economy.....At least that&#39;s my rationale for saying it&#39;s ok for them to use food stamps (or the debit card) to buy things like that for their kids.....

But goddamn, I just really can&#39;t think of a single reason for someone to flaunt in my face that they&#39;re going to use taxpayer money to feed their family steaks when chicken and pork chops can do the job.....Appearances and it&#39;s just NOT right.....

[atlcomedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BIG C @ Mar 2 2009, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

See, like I said before, I really don&#39;t have a problem with a parent buying snacks and treats for their kids.....I believe kids should be kids and they should have candy and chips and stuff like that (not as a complete meal, but for treats on occasions).....Why should kids have to suffer their childhoods because adults have fucked up the economy.....At least that&#39;s my rationale for saying it&#39;s ok for them to use food stamps (or the debit card) to buy things like that for their kids.....

But goddamn, I just really can&#39;t think of a single reason for someone to flaunt in my face that they&#39;re going to use taxpayer money to feed their family steaks when chicken and pork chops can do the job.....Appearances and it&#39;s just NOT right.....[/b]

I don&#39;t have a problem with junk food on an occasional basis as a treat or reward, regardless of who pays. Hell, my parents took us kids to McDonalds as a treat. That&#39;s being a kid. Agreed.

The problem, again regardless of who pays, is when kids grow up on essentially a vending machine diet supplemented by fast food.

One social program I actually support is Free/Reduced School Lunches. Today schools were closed in Atlanta. I wonder how many thousands of kids won&#39;t get at least one somewhat balanced meal (regardless of taste) in them today?

[bodilly]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (atlcomedy @ Mar 2 2009, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I don&#39;t have a problem with junk food on an occasional basis as a treat or reward, regardless of who pays. Hell, my parents took us kids to McDonalds as a treat. That&#39;s being a kid. Agreed.

The problem, again regardless of who pays, is when kids grow up on essentially a vending machine diet supplemented by fast food.

One social program I actually support is Free/Reduced School Lunches. Today schools were closed in Atlanta. I wonder how many thousands of kids won&#39;t get at least one somewhat balanced meal (regardless of taste) in them today?[/b]

Just to add a little info. While out on my keystone cop version of trying to get a quickie this morning.
I ran across a fruit stand in my old neighborhood.
I bought enough frozen fruits and vegetables to feed a family of 4 for a week.
47.89 CENTS. You can&#39;t tell me junk food is cheaper than health food.