Oh I agree J Do guys really do that with the whole document thing? What you said? Wow. Useless. And crazy
I didn't mention men bc link I came across mentioned sex workers (but yea that can be men too). It had some pay programs I thought could be helpful. It's a daily thing so I doubt 'hobbyist men' would do it? Meh. Dunno. *I* would if I was active Still would use a condom though anyway simply bc you can get other things, plus both together is even better.
Sucks that it has to be so expensive :/
If it was cheap it would virtually stop hiv. With condom plus prep there'd be practically zero spread. Condom alone can reduce it from 1 in 2500 to ~1 in 25,000 (with 85% eff) but with prep it would be ~1 in 250,000 (with 99% eff) and together, wowee, it's in the range of 1 in 1,250,000! You'd have to be exposed to get an infection 1.25mil times to infected persons before one infection would migrate! Phew. If it was a cheaper solution that would be such a panacea for whole industry & sex in general. Yea for both sexes. Pharmaceutical industry is a racket.
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Never assume a guy knows when it breaks, but most times I was right when it did, and I think guyz do especially if circumcised, and if in doggy, they definitely can see it. I dont know a lot but guyz intentionally breaking it is impossible given how they are made (where there is a will though, there is a way), taking off without permission just sounds like a terrible thing, do you want a fight after the fact with the lady that destroys all that good feeling? An unintended pregnancy scare is what keeps me in check to this day, only a guy whose been that scared can tell u how that shit keeps u thinking straight years later. Prep seems like a must have for any ladiy on here I would think. In most countries, it is offered free to those at high risk, here in good old USA, you gotta jump hoops to even get it regardless of whether free or not.
All these statistics stuff - it takes only once and no statistic can fix that so dont take comfort in this fir yourself. Stats are used for policy decision for actionable public plans but for yourself, dont take comfort in chances.
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I really appreciate mathguy's detailed explanations. PreP is great and well worth taking for providers who have a large number of encounters. Hopefully they can get for a reasonable price. For most hobbyists, who only sees responsible ladies, the HIV risk is much much lower because we only have a few encounters or less per week. Condom use is still mandatory to reduce the risk or other STDs of course.
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Yep, exactly. Only takes once. That's why I said before **do not** take any of the stats as some way to feel safe doing something irresponsible. No no The stats are to give us a proper point of view relative to the activities and to provide a means to understand how to increase our safety through use of protective measures such as PreP and condoms. Don't use it as a reason to play with fire. I mean it folks; men & women both. The data allows us to understand how certain protections can increase our safety. Yes, I did want people to understand it's not even remotely like playing a game a russian roulette with a 6 shooter & 1 chamber loaded. Not even close. Even with no protection. *BUT* even if that gun had 2,500 chambers & only one loaded, would you stick it up to your forehead & squeeze? :/ Technically, on average, someone could play that game 2,499 times with nothing happening. But one of those times their brains end up on the wall 6ft away :/ Maybe rephrasing it that way will help.
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Bbbj for males is statistically 0% under most conditions other than some extreme blood contact in the mouth but saliva neutralizes a lot of it so it has to be fairly obvious. Sores on the penis could also contribute if there are any open lesions where blood is present. I would be careful for this reason & pay attention to who you engage with, their condition, yours, etc.
Bbbj for females ranges from as low as 0% to as high as .04% (that same 1 in 2,500 exposures).
Factors that increase a woman's chances while performing BBBJ:
- Blood in her mouth/gums
- Other sores in her mouth, cold sores, oral ulcers
- Lesions or blood/pustules present on penis
- Ejaculation in mouth (this is "theoretically" possible only if conditions are right such as sores in mouth, ulcers in mouth, but even then many studies show that saliva neutralizes it, even with blood present depending on blood volume)
Many studies are still inconclusive. However, I've found enough data, from the CDC as well, even though they too list it as "exceptionally low risk", that I don't feel comfortable calling it absolute 0 risk. Nothing is absolute zero. Not for man or woman. But, yes, the chances are extremely low. Various studies do report statistically zero risk.
You should always inspect your partner. Even a simple inconspicuous eyeballing can be the difference from statistically zero and up to .04%. As long as there is no obvious blood or open sores, man's penis or in/around woman's mouth, then it's statistically extremely close to zero. The caveat is depending on those factors above it could be as low as 0, as low as 1 in 30,000, or extreme cases with obvious blood/open sores, as high as .04% (1 in 2,500 exposures).
Being sick will increase your chances too. Whether it's another minor std or simply the cold. It suppresses your immune system, lowers killer T cell counts, etc. I wouldn't engage in bbbj if either one is sick, has a cold, bleeding gums, mouth ulcer, cold sores, sores in mouth, any obvious blood or lesion on penis.
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