How big is too big?

[quzi]

All these massive cock claims please deliver nudes to my email! Please and thank you
Lol
I may not be able to handle it but I definitely love to look

[alxndr69]

On the other end of the spectrum, I identify with this joke I heard as a teen:

A guy picks up a prostitute and takes her to a motel room. When he undresses, she sees he's already fully erect at 2 inches. She laughs and asks him, "Who do you expect to please with THAT???"

He says, "Me." ;-)

[mathguy]

On the other end of the spectrum, I identify with this joke I heard as a teen:

A guy picks up a prostitute and takes her to a motel room. When he undresses, she sees he's already fully erect at 2 inches. She laughs and asks him, "Who do you expect to please with THAT???"

He says, "Me." ;-)

Ahahahaha. Funny. Hey, if one can look at it that way and that's what he's got to work with more power to 'em I say. At least it's a good emotional/self-esteem outlook!

[Austin Ellen]

I was in a cuckold relationship once and we would advertise for gentlemen 10 inches or more. The only gentlemen who showed up told the truth were AA guys. My partner wanted a big dick so he could see everything and they delivered. It was so much fun. I just loved them.

[mathguy]

On the other end of the spectrum, I identify with this joke I heard as a teen:

A guy picks up a prostitute and takes her to a motel room. When he undresses, she sees he's already fully erect at 2 inches. She laughs and asks him, "Who do you expect to please with THAT???"

He says, "Me." ;-)

Ahahahaha. Funny. Hey, if one can look at it that way and that's what he's got to work with more power to 'em I say. At least it's a good emotional/self-esteem outlook!

In all seriousness though not many men have to worry about this issue. I would venture even fewer on these boards have to worry. The average of people that are into sexual "pay/play hobbying" or engaging in any type of sex play, prostitution, porn, etc tend to be statistical outliers such that is skews the distribution of numbers and so they are not typically representative as a statistically significant standard distribution in the larger general public of men. There are *many* where this is not true of course. Obviously. Just like in porn as well. And most men fall within a pretty solid range that is within 1-2 inches give or take so yea you won't always see extremes but it will be much more common here than in "RL" general public (for example). Again, just like in porn.

For example, what [most] "provider" girls here in the "hobby" see on a daily basis is not a great representation of the "general" populace of men. The reason is b/c you don't get a proper and even distribution. You either end up with people that are quite small or typically quite larger. Obviously there are many that will fall into normal ranges, of course, b/c that is in fact where most men fall (+/- 1-2in), but it won't be the same as the regular general populace of men. Not even close. The men here and according to most sex studies and sexologist data will likely either be [typically speaking]: A) on the smaller side, from smallish/normal to extreme small or B) normal/biggish up to the very big/huge. That's just a side effect of the hobby aspect. It will not always be that way and most men just as I said in earlier replies on this thread from a variety of studies will fall within typical normal ranges from around 4.75in to 6.25in. The point is that's much more evenly represented in the regular "RL" populace of men. The range of men here or in sex work or engaging in hobbyist sex activities is not a typical or standard distribution. We may still be able to derive a rough average but the curve and standard deviation would look kind of ridiculous compared to the "regular" public.

Sex experts and urologists usually consider micropenis only when a man is below 1.9inches fully erect. That was the .6% (right at half of 1%) of men or less in the Dr Lane Palmer study done at Cohen Medical Center. The top .6% are above 6.8in. So, if you read my earlier replies from weeks back in this thread, you will see how this also fits in with some of that study data. And it gives a good idea of just what a really big penis is. The fact is most people, men *and* women, don't really know what an inch looks like. It's the truth. Most men in a regular sample taken off the street of, say, 1000 men, will fall within 4.75in-6.25in. The vast majority. As far as length goes. Not girth. After those measurements (above or below) you are start going into extremes that are close to or beyond 1-2 SD's (standard deviations), or even 3 SD's, from the mean (the middle 50%).

Only .6% of men in Dr Lane Palmer's study were less than 1.9in erect (~5-6 men in 1000) and only .6% in that same study were above 6.8in erect (again, 6 men in 1000). However, something to consider even when looking at those numbers. The vaginal wall of most women is 2.5in to 3.25in while not stimulated. It expands to 4 to 4.75in during excitement. Obviously it can accommodate more if needed. This is the beauty and design of the vagina. However at around 6in (sometimes even more like 5.75) for all but the tallest women with very long torso's you are knocking on the cervix door (which you don't want to do guys - as much as your ego might want you too - I guarantee she does *not* want you too lol). Now there are variations and all women are different but this is largely why a guy who is, say, 9in long is wasted. And we are not talking about 9in by people's eyeball measurement comparing to other things, that skews badly, I'm talking about medically measured actual inches. That length is up around the 99.999%ile. Meaning .001% are that big (possibly 1 man in 1000 men). There could be slightly more in the hobby (which is what I was saying above - just like in porn) you are going to tend to see more "outliers" either on the small end or large end. It's still *very* few that large or that small. And even if you had a 9in erect cock you can't push it all the way in without pulverizing the cervix (ouch).

This is a big reason why most studies show that women prefer thicker penises as opposed to longer. In fact an odd thing is that women actually pick thicker penises in all studies where it's just for sex, one night stands, fun fucking, blah blah.... as opposed to a real relationship. When asked if they were going to have a one night stand or fuck friend, in virtually every study done so far, they typically pick models of penises that are thicker. When asked what they would choose if they were picking one for a long term partner, on average, they pick much nearer the statistical mean (the statistical mean or average for men is 4.6in erect girth). That's interesting that they do this. Sexologists have a theory about it. Women seem to prefer a fatter penis, particularly for just a "good fuck" or "one night stand", b/c it causes more sensation. Why? Well, the vaginal wall depth can stretch but it's only 2.5in and up 4.75in when aroused and even if you stretch it to 6in+, much further and most girls you are gonna be knocking on the cervix door in many positions. But the vagina itself can open wider. The sensation of stretching the vaginal wall open due to girth causes more clitoral stimulation, a feeling of "fullness", it engorges all the nerves and area around the clitoris. This is why they believe women prefer thicker penises.

Regarding girth, to mention that again b/c it actually appears to be a lot more important according to various studies, 4.6-4.65in erect girth is the mean/average. *Not* "across". No one has that LOL. It's circumference (around). That means you wrap a tape measure around the thickest part (which is different for different men) and measure the circumference. That's your erect girth (EG).

You have to go a full 3 SD's (standard deviations) to get down to around 2.8in erect girth (this would be the bottom half of 1% of men, or .5%, or ~5 in 1000 men).
You have to go a full 3 SD's (standard deviations) to up to around 6.25in erect girth (this would be the top half of 1% of men, or .5%, or ~5 in 1000 men). The data presented here is from various studies: calcSD Avg, Phosphine study, Habous et al 2015 study, Lifestyles Condoms study, Herbenick et al 2013, Promodu et all 2007 study, Veal et all 2015 study, and others.

To get an idea of where values fall for EG (erect girth): (I know a lot of guys want to know... lol... so I'm posting the values here for a range of sizes)
At 3.75in EG you are around the bottom 7.25% (928 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 4in EG you are around the bottom 14.7% (853 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 4.25in EG you are around the bottom 26% (740 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 4.5in EG you are around the bottom 40.65% (594 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 4.65in EG you are right in the middle at 50% (this is the actual average for men in general populace - meaning out of the 1000 men in a room, roughly 500 are smaller, the bottom ones above here, and 500 are larger, the top ones below this)
At 4.75in EG you are around the top 56.8% (433 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 5in EG you are around the top 70% (282 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 5.25in EG you are around the top 85% (163 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 5.5in EG you are around the top 91.8% (82 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 5.75in EG you are around the top 96.5% (36 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 6in EG you are around the top 98.5% (14 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 6.25 EG you are around the top 99.6% (4 men in room of 1000 likely larger)
At 6.5 EG you are around the top 99.9% (*possibly* 1 man in a room of 1000 larger - basically you need more men to guarantee there would be some that large and it would be *very* few - in 10,000 men it *might* be 8-10 of them)

Every woman will have her preferences. Some will love enormous cocks just for the psychological aspect. There might even be a psychosomatic effect (meaning b/c they think it's so neat they have a slightly more aroused state - ie. their body is producing more endorphins, adrenaline, etc...). That phenomenon is not unique to sex by the way. Psychosomatic effects and the "placebo effect" have long been known to have a measurable result. It's theorized that is happens due to the rush of various hormones, adrenaline, endorphins, etc... as I explained. That's also why one can take aspirin and if they really it's aspirin or just think aspirin really helps them then they may begin to feel better (that's what "psychosomatic effects" are fyi). Some women will just a fat one. Others a long one b/c of the thought of being penetrated as deeply as possible (even though you can't possibly go much further than 6.5 to 7 realistically except maybe in certain positions).

The end of the story though is that very few men have to worry about actually being too small. Even if you were 3in long you could still please a woman. You could. Yea you can't do certain positions. She may have psychological preferences that prevent her from liking it too. Similar to how guys don't like certain titties or pussies. Or how a guy or girl just doesn't like a certain face. Nothing you can do about that except move on. But you can definitely pleasure a woman. So if you are one of those men don't fret. There is no reason to think you can't have a healthy sexual life. In fact barring any psychological or psychosomatic desires most sexologists don't believe a man can't properly please a woman until they are under 2in erect and very thin which is when you would almost certainly seek corrective surgery.

I mention this at the end now b/c again, the majority of men in sex hobbying or sex work (like porn as well as working in or rather just using prostitution) are typical outliers. They tend to be larger than normal or smaller than normal. Not always no, of course not, I'm sure girls in SW see guys all the time that are totally "normal". I mean after all, most guys are "normal" +/- 1-1.5in length from around 5.5in length and +/- .25-.5in of girth from the mean of 4.6in girth. It's still statistically significant enough that it skews numbers here. The smaller ones do it for obvious reasons. Even in porn (there is money in that too - cuckolding, humiliation.....). Point being if you are one on the smaller end you really don't need to engage in any sex activity just b/c you think you have to. Uh uh. You don't. And I would encourage if that is your reasoning then you should talk with someone. Seriously. Ya there are huge guys. Especially in a place like this here, or if you watch porn. But you can see that the vast majority of men are not enormous. Very few men have a penis beyond 6.5in length and 5.25in erect girth. Very few.

Always trying to lend a helping hand

-mg

[_desta]

Mmm, idk. Even in the study with the largest sample size of 15,000+ (Veale et al) the bulk of those subjects came from Iran, Egypt, Italy, and Turkey, none which would be defined as predominatly black (yes, I do believe race could play a part), and the USA sample size made up only about 200 ppl. Promodu et al was conducted in Indian, another shows that out of about 3,000 surveyed 74.99% responded that their ethnicity was white, and Herbenick et al was based in the U.S., but only had a sample size of about 1600 compared to a 325mill+ population. So the curve may be not be as accurate...I don't know about the 10"+ area, but I'd guess there are probably quite a bit more ppl that are around the 7"-10" BPEL.

None of that is to knock "smaller" sizes, but just to say that I don't think sitting in the 7"-10" area is really that big of an abnormality, and as Rowan said, vaginas stretch as they warm up, so yeah take the time to make sure their partner is well ready, listen to how they respond, and don't just shove it in there and start jackhammering the shit out of someone (this is RL not fantasy porn world) and things are usually just fine regardless of size. So assuming someone with a larger than average penis is going to tear someone apart seems just as ridiculous as assuming someone with a smaller than average penis can't satisfy a someone...or maybe these are just repressed emotions because my partners keep opting for just a bj lol

[mathguy]

Mmm, idk. Even in the study with the largest sample size of 15,000+ (Veale et al) the bulk of those subjects came from Iran, Egypt, Italy, and Turkey, none which would be defined as predominatly black (yes, I do believe race could play a part), and the USA sample size made up only about 200 ppl. Promodu et al was conducted in Indian, another shows that out of about 3,000 surveyed 74.99% responded that their ethnicity was white, and Herbenick et al was based in the U.S., but only had a sample size of about 1600 compared to a 325mill+ population. So the curve may be not be as accurate...I don't know about the 10"+ area, but I'd guess there are probably quite a bit more ppl that are around the 7"-10" BPEL.

None of that is to knock "smaller" sizes, but just to say that I don't think sitting in the 7"-10" area is really that big of an abnormality, and as Rowan said, vaginas stretch as they warm up, so yeah take the time to make sure their partner is well ready, listen to how they respond, and don't just shove it in there and start jackhammering the shit out of someone (this is RL not fantasy porn world) and things are usually just fine regardless of size. So assuming someone with a larger than average penis is going to tear someone apart seems just as ridiculous as assuming someone with a smaller than average penis can't satisfy a someone...or maybe these are just repressed emotions because my partners keep opting for just a bj lol

Good post desta. First one I've seen that brings out some interesting points so bravo on that!

I agree that certain sample sizes are too small. That's just an inevitably of any scientific study or endeavor. You can't test everything or everyone and you can only come up with figures that give you an idea of where or not you a statistically significant difference. The curve might change some if you threw the entirety of the adult male half of the 325mil US population in one of those studies (and used medically reported data as opposed to self reported). I mention that become some studies rely on self reported data (especially the large studies). You simply can't medically test as many men one at a time unless you send out a notice to a random group and ask "them" to report back their results (this is "self reported" data). And we know that any studies with self reported data are skewed and have larger numbers (i.e. the men "cheat" even if just a little, and in some cases a lot).

I would also agree there are definitely a great number within our 325million US population of the adult males that are beyond 7" and up to 8" (length wise - BPEL). Of course they are out there but it's still very few in comparison to the general populace. Very few. If we go up to 9"-10" BPEL length range it's getting ridiculously rare. Now, in world of 7billion (*billion*) people are that going to be a good number such that you can 9" and up online clubs and forums and things like that even when those in the >99.99% or >99.999%? Sure. Lots across the entire world of 7BN people. But it's a small small fraction.

Look at porn for example. They purposely seek out men with the biggest penises and they can't even find any. How many exist today in all of porn that are legitimately 10"+ (bone pressed erect length) or beyond 6.5" EG (circumference around penis)? Again for those who don't know BPEL mean you stick a ruler against the top of your penis (not the side, not under, right on top) and you push into your pubic bone (reasonably, don't try to stick the ruler into your backbone LOL) and measure the length at the very tip of the penis where the rule is resting. BPEL helps to measure without worrying about the "fat pad" which all men have to varying degrees (maybe 1cm for some, maybe an entire 2inches for others). The more weight a man has the thicker larger the fat pad with be and will not show their true size. If they lose weight they will magically get bigger.

There are so few people who can legitimately do that and get a 10"+ number. So so so few in relation to the average man. It's so few that in all of porn today there are virtually none that can do it with exception to Mandingo, Julio Gomez, and possibly Lex Steele. It was said that Ron Jeremy had 10" but most experts believe it to be more around 8.5-9. John Holmes has a very large one, probably a legit 10-10.5" (not the ridiculous numbers of 12" or 14" people read.....not even close). Julio Gomez and Mandingo are some of the longest and thickest ever and they are the only two in the legit 10" range and about 6.5" to 7" girth/circumference.

The average length among all men is 5.5 inches BPEL. Some studies say 5inches even! Others say 5.75 or 5.85. The average of these comes to right in the 5.5 inch range.

To get your EG you just use a tape measure (like a clothing tape measure) and wrap it around the thickest part of your penis that is the EG measurement.
The average erect girth is 4.5 inches circumference.
The only known people to legit have beyond 6.5" EG are Mandingo (estimated 7" EG), Shane Diesel (~7.25-7.5" EG - but *only* 8" BPEL lol), Shorty Mac (~7.7" EG and again *only* 7.5-8" length haha). Even a 5.5" EG is very large and very uncommon to the point that condoms will be painful and take away lots of sensation.

The point is people really don't understand, men and women, I don't care if they are providers or not, people just don't know what a legit measured 9-10"+ length looks like, nor a legit 6.5"+ EG. It's insane. Those are rare.

Go here for stats, comparisons, etc: https://unravelingsize.wordpress.com/


The thing you mention about how the vagina stretches is very true. I talked about it in prior posts. The deal is though it will not stretch *that* much. It's only 2.5in to 3in deep to start and in arousal goes up another 2-3.5in+ possibly but that's about it. If you are 9" long for example you are not going to fit all the way in. I don't care what you do. Maybe if she a giant. LOL. A 7ft woman haha. Seriously. There is no way. The torso is too short and the cervix is nowhere near 9" away from the vaginal opening. Not even remotely close, more like 6in range, give or take an inch, and you change up positions to allow deeper entry because of how the uterus/cervix will shift. Even with arousal and movement of the uterus (tilting uterus, etc) and the vaginal wall stretching you simply can't push 9 full inches, not even 8 full inches (maybe 8 - maybe in some cases and certain positions) inside without smashing the fuck out of her cervix.

Similarly I also wouldn't want to be beyond 7" EG (erect girth). I'm at 6" EG (overall) and 6.2" at the widest spot and it's fine but condoms are horrible; otherwise it works out great for most women though some do complain. And at say 6.75in+ EG you are venturing into actual pain territory 6.5" EG (overall girth) is about the max reasonable girth a woman can handle without becoming a chore and beginning to enter what would be at least similar parts to labor LOL. Yea not quite *that* painful but at 7" EG its starting to get damn close.

[_desta]

Thank you for seeing it as a talking point rather than me trying to be a dick

Now when I checked I measured a few ways, with the method you said, I come in round bout 8.75"-9" BPEL (Bit hard to be completely accurate) and 6"-6.25" EG (near tip vs near the base)
I WILL NOT plaster dick pics all over this thread (...or will I ) so folks, take me at my word or don't

Back on subject, partners I've had rarely had problems during sex. I've regularly run into woman who saw it and thought nope, nah, and HELL NO. But after getting them to relax, and aroused, only a handful haven't been able to take it all in. I do take care with doggystyle positions, so I agree different positions have an effect, but other than that nothing much outside the norm.
Far as condoms go Magnum XLs do me fine, NOTHING else fits completely properly (Though they still work, no excuses guys. Wrap it. end of PSA lol)

The 10"+ BPEL and 7"+ EG stuff is beyond me so I have no say for that
But dang, they're mostly looking for 10"+ guys for porn To "big" to hobby, not "big" enough to break into the biz, guess it's back to trying to perfect the perfect "stranger" technique.

[Ivana fuxs]

It's NEVER to big!! Lol

[_desta]

It's NEVER to big!! Lol

Well...Hello, my name's _desta, nice to meet you

[Ivana fuxs]

Well...Hello, my name's _desta, nice to meet you

Is this an invitation for my vagina to give your magic stick a wiener hug?

[mathguy]

Thank you for seeing it as a talking point rather than me trying to be a dick

Now when I checked I measured a few ways, with the method you said, I come in round bout 8.75"-9" BPEL (Bit hard to be completely accurate) and 6"-6.25" EG (near tip vs near the base)
I WILL NOT plaster dick pics all over this thread (...or will I ) so folks, take me at my word or don't

Back on subject, partners I've had rarely had problems during sex. I've regularly run into woman who saw it and thought nope, nah, and HELL NO. But after getting them to relax, and aroused, only a handful haven't been able to take it all in. I do take care with doggystyle positions, so I agree different positions have an effect, but other than that nothing much outside the norm.
Far as condoms go Magnum XLs do me fine, NOTHING else fits completely properly (Though they still work, no excuses guys. Wrap it. end of PSA lol)

Dude, that's a monster dick Desta! I don't doubt ya though bud. What you report is within reason but still very rare. It's definitely very, very large and at least 3+ SD's from the mean/average (easily >99% ile). Mine is as well but I'm not that fuckin long! EG virtually identical. Almost exactly. Just not near that length! Like 6" girth up to 6.25" girth at base. But, yea, I'm also around 3 SD's (standard deviations) from the mean/avg (around >97% ile). That's pretty damn long dude. Haha. Cheers bro!

Magnum XL's are def only decently comfortable ones other than custom online but as far as store bought....yea. I hate condoms though. Fucking strangles dick. Even dries us guys out, causing friction burn! Fucking friction could start a goddamn fire!

That's a major reason I'm really picky in hobby culture if I'm using a condom. Because if I'm gonna cum with a condom on its gotta be fuckin gooooooooood and super passionate!



-mg

[Kitty bunny fuck]

It's NEVER to big!! Lol

What she said ^^^^

[_desta]

Magnum XL's are def only decently comfortable ones other than custom online but as far as store bought....yea. I hate condoms though. Fucking strangles dick. Even dries us guys out, causing friction burn! Fucking friction could start a goddamn fire!

That's a major reason I'm really picky in hobby culture if I'm using a condom. Because if I'm gonna cum with a condom on its gotta be fuckin gooooooooood and super passionate!



-mg

Literally just googled this and thought a. why haven't I googled this before and b. why am I not suprised
This guy. We may end up in a bar toasting to lifes great journeys lol.

And I know right, that's the reason I'm ALWAYS picky with hobbying. I'm onboard as far as mutual safety, but with that I want a truly unforgettable experience.

Is this an invitation for my vagina to give your magic stick a wiener hug?

It wasn't exactly meant to be, but it most certainly could be. You may have noticed I am only registered, and I'd very much like to be verified. PM?

What she said ^^^^

Last but certainly not least, I do believe verification requires a minimum of two. And your enthusiasm intrigues me very much.


Amazing what one forum post can do. All in all, I think I just (hopefully) made some new friends (^_^)/

[Kitty bunny fuck]