GFE vs. PSE

[3156g0998]

Just for fun can someone help me understand the differences between these two? I know the Girlfriend Experience (GFE) involved kissing (preferably deep French kissing), cuddling, and ultimately full service. Am I safe to assume that the Porn Star Experience (PSE) includes anal, dirty talk, and “hard” sex? Asking for a friend.

[britttany_love]

It's hard to say as that varies from lady to lady the hobby is very much ymmv.


To me, I think the difference between GFE and PSE is more the attitude and IOP, should make you feel like you are the only guy she wants to spend time with, if that makes sense. Like, GFE is more sensual, lots of mutual foreplay, maybe some cuddling between rounds, that sort of thing...DFK, BBBJ, DATY and CFS. Treat you like a girlfriend. This does not mean services will be bareback.

PSE to me is more “sportfucking”. Rough, sweaty, dirty, lots of dirty talk, hair pulling, lots of spit, assorted fluids flying everywhere, maybe the girl does a toy show, fetish, roleplay or something for you. I think it’s less about the specific acts offered and more how they’re performed. Things such as GREEK, RIMMING, DT, FF and CIM & COF, some spanking and face slapping, pretty much a no holes barred encounter. Not much off limits and willing to try most anything.

Atleast how I see it on my side.

[Agent009.5]

I’m new but seems like the only difference is between $ and $$

[Champagne Brown]

To "me"PSE= all the things you see on the porno vids sites, cof or other if it's not in the hat, trip to Greece, rough adulting, pottying in the providers mouth. Things you wouldn't do to your girlfriend, but anyone can feel free to add on

[MikeD77]

It has become more common to see "no GFE" in ads. I always get confused by this. I have determined that "no GFE" means she will be in a hurry and will push for a pop and go. On the reverse I have found GFE to mean, some chatting, banter maybe, some cuddling and you will get your full time slot. PSE kind of comes across as something between the two.

[Seldom_Seen_Smith]

To me -
GFE: Pretty much everything an SO would do including LFK/DFK, bbbj, daty/o, conversation, cuddling etc. If those aren't part of it then it's not GFE.
PSE: What you see in porn so could include LFK/DFK, daty/o, bbbj, anal, cof, cot, coa etc. But has to be along these lines to be PSE.

Seldom Seen Smith

[risn2theoccasion2]

I think both GFE and PSE categories revolve around 1 thing. The ladies comfort level with you. Reviews are a particular gentleman’s experience and are not a guarantee of an actual occurrence for all clients. The Reviewer may have seen this lady countless times before. She may have a higher level of comfort and trust with him that may not be there with you, or me. Hence the phrase YMMV.

Providers are human beings. Your presentation goes a long way. How you communicate and respond, both in initial introductions and just general board persona casts a major impression. I know I have never contacted, or have stopped seeing people because they appear or have proven themselves to be assholes. I won’t try to destroy someone, I will just not comment or won’t recommend them if asked about my experience.

The chemistry might not be there for high level intimacy or Porn level shenanigans. You can’t force something. Also, it simply takes time to get there sometimes. But the worst thing you can do is force it. That never turns out good. Also, don’t assume that you are paying for XYZ. You might not even get ABC. Remember, we are not entitled to anything. Consent still applies to all encounters. Just my thoughts and opinions.

[Seldom_Seen_Smith]

I think both GFE and PSE categories revolve around 1 thing. The ladies comfort level with you. Reviews are a particular gentleman’s experience and are not a guarantee of an actual occurrence for all clients. The Reviewer may have seen this lady countless times before. She may have a higher level of comfort and trust with him that may not be there with you, or me. Hence the phrase YMMV.

Providers are human beings. Your presentation goes a long way. How you communicate and respond, both in initial introductions and just general board persona casts a major impression. I know I have never contacted, or have stopped seeing people because they appear or have proven themselves to be assholes. I won’t try to destroy someone, I will just not comment or won’t recommend them if asked about my experience.

The chemistry might not be there for high level intimacy or Porn level shenanigans. You can’t force something. Also, it simply takes time to get there sometimes. But the worst thing you can do is force it. That never turns out good. Also, don’t assume that you are paying for XYZ. You might not even get ABC. Remember, we are not entitled to anything. Consent still applies to all encounters. Just my thoughts and opinions.

I understand all that but ... if the lady isn't willing to do what I'd define as GFE &/or PSE then don't say it's on the menu. Simple

Many say it because that's what a lot of guys are looking for and can raise their donation because of it.

But when they actually don't deliver the services they said they would and the guy gives an honest, but lousy, review or tells others his experience the ladies get bent.


Seldom Seen Smith

[MikeD77]

Not meeting expectations is a different issue than a common definition for GFE PSE. I have learned to keep my expectations pretty low. GFE exists because a lot of guys lack getting their emotional needs met. PSE exists because we live in a porn culture that men have grown up with. I honestly think you may be chasing unrealistic expectations if you take either of those too seriously. You may be better off just communicating what you specifically want. There is no training for providers, they are not psychologist and they are unlikely to have a career as a porn actress. They probably just do the best that they can given limitations. Of course they are going to advertise the two things that men are most likely going to want.

[Lovinglifeinaustin]

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pse

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[SexySammy]

GFE definitely doesn’t include BBFS (BJ sure) but apparently that’s what guys are expecting now and makes me wonder how many females are doing it.

[Seldom_Seen_Smith]

I agree - bbfs is off the table and should be for every encounter. Anyone that wants that isn't thinking what so ever.

Seldom Seen Smith

[Lovinglifeinaustin]

GFE definitely doesn’t include BBFS (BJ sure) but apparently that’s what guys are expecting now and makes me wonder how many females are doing it.

Tis true. But not all guys expect BBFS. Whether it’s GFE or PSE, respecting each other’s boundaries is imperative with every encounter. I would never ask any woman to do something she does not want to do. Bringing my best BFE to the date usually pays nice dividends.

[SexySammy]

EXACTLY. It honestly astounds me the amount of men that ask for it. Or SS. They teach you in sex Ed that it only takes genitalia touching.

[risn2theoccasion2]

This is a touchy subject and I may ruffle some feathers. In relationship to GFE, PSE or other performance and expectations, one must consider the reason why the provider is in the hobby. In no way am I trying to be critical or judgmental. I am just stating facts.

There are ladies who do this because they enjoy the benefits the Hobby provides them. They make a damn good hourly wage. They are independent business operators. They have a high demand commodity, that if taken care of, will provide a residual source of income for quite some time. Low overhead for the most part. They are savvy enough to market themselves in a way that attracts the appropriate gentleman. They are capable of catering to those gentleman’s needs because they can recognize the importance of providing a great customer experience, and they truly enjoy what they do. They invest, plan for the future, and use their income wisely. They could easily do something else if they wanted to, and many actually do. But they choose to provide services as a SW. They keep appointments, they prepare for their clients, and they are more apt to meet expectations because they have a different mind set.

Then, you have those who do this because they have to. For whatever reason….past legal problems, social issues, bad habits and behaviors, psychological struggles, educational, etc. It’s not a career choice for them. It’s an only choice, an act of desperation. We see them come, leave, retire, and then come back after a while. They can’t manage their money, they don’t invest it, and they struggle just to survive. In fact, they probably see more clients than the “Business Professional” ladies, and have less to show for it. These ladies struggle with TCB, don’t enjoy what they do, and soon burn out. It’s much harder for them to provide higher quality services to some old, fat, hairy assed guy like me.

I say this not to degrade or offend. I say this as a reality check for those of us who might be seeking a true GFE, PSE, or any other type of encounter. Mindset and the desire to be there have a lot to do with outcome. And people who have to do this will say anything to get the income they need, whereas someone who is in this because they truly want to be won’t. Guys, for the most part, we generally know what we are getting.

I sincerely hope that I have not offended anyone. That was not my intention. Just being realistic and to the point. Happy Hobbying and stay safe and dry.