goodbye p411

[FirePhoenix]

Look Ariel it is DUMB not to talk about a site that is easily hacked! It is DUMB not to talk about a site that has NO CUSTOMER SERVICE! It is DUMB for a business owner not to have a phone or to admit that they don't have a phone. So it's very clear that p411 doesn't have control of their own site. DUH 101! If you would like to know more about the situation you can pm me for a couple of handles that love to talk about the hacking story and then you can go and confirm it just like p411 did confirm that the hacking happened. I assume that you are smart enough to want to know the truth, right?

[SweetArielRae]

They actually have wonderful customer service. I had to contact them the other day and they got back with me within 24 hrs. Anyways carry on. Sorry your having problems.

[FirePhoenix]

BTW, Ariel what is it that bothers you so much about my posts? What I'm talking about has nothing to do with you. I do however see that you only want to book though p411 and you also request more private sensitive information to see you. Do you not feel that p411 vetting of clients is not in-depth enough for your standards? I'm not saying that you don't have the right to request more info to meet your safety standards because you do. Every provider has the right and the responsibility to do everything she can to keep herself safe on the the hobby. My next question is what do you do with that driver's license information? How do verifiy that it's a true DL number and belongs to that hobbiest. Is there some websites that you background checks for each DL number that you are given? What do you do with that private sensitive information after you are done with the background check? If you don't mind me asking what are the background check websites that you use and how much are they for a monthly membership? Thank you for your expertise in this area for other providers to use. The information that you could provide will also help hobbiest know to ask each site to send a notification about when ever someone does a background check like that so that know it was done in an accordingly fashion and not just accesed out of the blue. Info like that can easily be used in a very shameful manner that no one wants.

[FirePhoenix]

I also find this very interesting and highly hypocritical about the driver's license issue- how many post have hobbiest seen from providers that "oh hell no! They are not about to send in a picture of their driver's license into eccie for verification purposes." Why are they so against it but feel that they have the right to ask all hobbiest to send them their driver's license. I, personally laugh at hypocritical standards of that. Just my 2 cents.

[MarkWatney]

I'm okay with a few changes as long as they keep the client okays. I get a perverse thrill from showing off all the beautiful gals that I've munched.

Seriously though, the client okays make it a whole lot easier to schedule without a lot of back and forth on references. We will lose some features that add to the convenience of the site, but it looks like they may be able to open up membership to new people, so that's a plus.

Any web site can be hacked, and I'm not too worried about that. It's a calculated risk, like online banking and online shopping. I've never had to share private information after joining.

In my opinion, it's a very good value, if your time is worth anything. If you know of another site that has the same variety of talent, I'd like to know about it.

[FirePhoenix]

Thank you Mark, finally a true and very vaild reply and statement that I couldn't have agreed with more on all points. There are more sites that are coming online that are like p411. However it's just going to take time to build up their reputation. I'm not ever going to want my p411 account back due to how badly Gina the owner of p411 was completely unprofessional in her ownership of her companies customer service towards me and others. How a certain provider still has their p411 account after what they did also raises a huge red flag to me and raises even more questions about how professional p411 truly is. If people don't know about the issues of professionalism, security,and other issues then they can't make an informed decision about the site. These are true facts about the company and a lot of people don't want it out there because most of them are the people that commit such acts to begin with. However, for many others your statement is how they get treated for the accounts that they have.

[FirePhoenix]

I forget to add this- I think that hobbiest and providers should be aware of anyone that hacks another's account. It is a huge growing problem in our society that causes untold damages to our every lives. It isy strongly held belief that if a hacker comes to light people should shame that hacker for wrongs that they have committed towards others. If you have ever had your credit card fraudulently used wouldn't you like to know the name of the person that did it and make others aware of this person malicious intentions? What about a company that found out about this hacker and continues to protect that hacker? Most companies don't protect a hacker of their systems and will prosecute the hacker for damages. Why should it make a difference because the hacker might have a pretty face or a nice body? Last time I check the internet data void is faceless and body less.

[Austin Ellen]

And the last time I checked Fire, you can't go around making baseless accusations against an individual or a company without verifiable proof. And by proof - I mean an attorney or the court. Not someone who told you blah,blah,blah. All you are doing is spreading innuendo and misinformation. Like the gentleman said - a lot of us still like P411 and have never,ever had a problem.

[FirePhoenix]

A. E. PLEASE! At what point do you not get when a company says "that providers account is NOW secured" do you NOT understand what that means? I try REALLY HARD not to be to rude to you but please understand what the hell that means! DUH 101! Then to top it off how long do you think the hacking story was talked about before it finally reached my ears, then for me to get p411 to admit to it, and even after all that I was told the same story by other sources? We all hear of gossip so I'm pretty sure that your familar with the story too
Let's also not forget that you go to a lot of socials. So stop acting like your that clueless. That is unless that's what you truly are.
Hey at the next social if you happen to see Bugle Boy there why don't you have a good long chat with him about how his hobby life has been going for him these days.;) You know how much he just loves to chit-chat about everything! While your talking with B. B. ask him to say hi for to one of his good pals for me. I'm sure you can guess which pal it is. #LMFAO!

[FirePhoenix]

It really should make a person wonder how many people know about the hacking, and not only that but all sources say one name and one name only of who the hacker is.

[FirePhoenix]

I was thinking about A. E. saying "what evidence" um did you look at my Facebook album marked p411? Victorialynn can show you if want to see the emails for p411.i still need to get around to screen recordings, and Im going to put on my Flickr account too. Come to think about it since this does involve the hobby I'm going to put all of it on my pornhub and xvideos accounts too. More than just this hobby community needs to be aware of these issues to make their own decisions about the security of accounts with p411.

[ck1942]

Folks, the generic rule at home2 is we don't bash, trash or clash anyone here or elsewhere.

imo, burning bridges is never a good idea, valuable resource or not.

TY for your cooperation.

The hobbyverse has never been static, and, these days, ever more dynamic than ever before.

In the weeks, months, years ahead we'll see a whole lot of moving and shaking ... and not just in the boudoirs!

This discussion is done.

Adding, I am:

That, while it is very normal to bring to folks' attention stuff happening in the hobbyverse,

it is not permitted to outright start bashing and trashing other sites or individuals here or elsewhere in the hobbyverse -- home2 management expects home2 community members to behave respectfully everywhere in the hobbyverse

those who disregard this ^^^ mandate won't appreciate what happens if and when.

Please note that

This discussion is done.

When a thread at home2 is closed there is a reason.

Folks who insist on restarting the conversation here won't like what happens next.