PHOTO authenticity, list the ways of proving pictures are real

[Universal]

Videos can prove pictures are REAL. A video can't be photoshopped. You can see a live video matches authentic pictures. Recently there was a thread about fake pictures being used, it only takes a few seconds to do a video that men can confirm that is indeed the person they have seen BCD.

https://vimeo.com/362358729

[mathguy]

Videos can prove pictures are REAL. A video can't be photoshopped. You can see a live video matches authentic pictures. Recently there was a thread about fake pictures being used, it only takes a few seconds to do a video that men can confirm that is indeed the person they have seen BCD.

https://vimeo.com/362358729

Appreciate the video Uni & it's nice looking too btw but even videos are becoming easily faked today. Machine learning (subset of A.I.) is giving us software that makes it so even a basic user can mock up high quality video fakes.
Take a look at technology called Deepfake. Some software is so simple you literally just add words or phrases, inserting a few headshot snaps, then using machine learning algorithms it superimposes/morphs to create a very accurate fake.

Example of Kate McKinnon impersonating Hillary Clinton on SNL during 2016 presidential debates but with the real Hillary Clinton swapped in using Kate's dialogue via Deepfake technology:

Link to Deepfake of real Hillary Clinton (on right) swapped with Kates dialogue from SNL skit (on left) showing just how compelling even nascent ML technology can look today.

Note: I linked it to play @ 2:12 but it's a WatchMojo list of varying types of Deepfake technologies + top 10 list of techniques/examples.

To be fair, yes, this may still be a bit difficult for the novice person, however, tools are available that do make some of it as easy as inserting few images, face(s), text/dialogue, let it process, voila! Some are literally that simple. Videos are still harder to fake, yep indeed, but my main point is that today there really isn't any 100% absolutely fail safe way to know other than corroboration from the community, seeing yourself, ask for real time Skype/Facetime (if parties are okay with it), or just trust them then leave if it's not what you saw (goes for man or woman, and report it in your private locker, or publicly; again community corroboration). Or simply use techniques like images with dates, today's weather, detailed items that are "time boxed" and would be hard to photoshop, etc... The average user is not going to be able to photoshop pics like that with any level of believability.

Though it is quickly becoming easier to fake a video using some new tools due to simply needing a few face snaps and/or inserting some dialogue and the software does it for you versus the picture option b/c then the individual would need to do that themselves.

Faking a video using programmatic techniques is easier b/c it's bound by a fairly rigid problem/concept domain (facial features + potentially dialogue; it's even easier if there is no dialogue, very easy).

Pictures can contain numerous items that are used to identify when it was taken, special items that couldn't be in the picture unless the person just took it (i.e. "time boxed" material - today's weather, unique items only the person would know or could request 3min ago, etc...). It is much harder to use algorithms to fake that b/c you need a human to select the items that need editing and exactly what needs editing (problem domain is infinitely larger).

Just something for everyone to be aware of and more food for thought

[JessieJane]

Appreciate the video Uni & it's nice looking too btw but even videos are becoming easily faked today. Machine learning (subset of A.I.) is giving us software that makes it so even a basic user can mock up high quality video fakes.
Take a look at technology called Deepfake. Some software is so simple you literally just add words or phrases, inserting a few headshot snaps, then using machine learning algorithms it superimposes/morphs to create a very accurate fake.

Example of Kate McKinnon impersonating Hillary Clinton on SNL during 2016 presidential debates but with the real Hillary Clinton swapped in using Kate's dialogue via Deepfake technology:

Link to Deepfake of real Hillary Clinton (on right) swapped with Kates dialogue from SNL skit (on left) showing just how compelling even nascent ML technology can look today.

Note: I linked it to play @ 2:12 but it's a WatchMojo list of varying types of Deepfake technologies + top 10 list of techniques/examples.

To be fair, yes, this may still be a bit difficult for the novice person, however, tools are available that do make some of it as easy as inserting few images, face(s), text/dialogue, let it process, voila! Some are literally that simple. Videos are still harder to fake, yep indeed, but my main point is that today there really isn't any 100% absolutely fail safe way to know other than corroboration from the community, seeing yourself, ask for real time Skype/Facetime (if parties are okay with it), or just trust them then leave if it's not what you saw (goes for man or woman, and report it in your private locker, or publicly; again community corroboration). Or simply use techniques like images with dates, today's weather, detailed items that are "time boxed" and would be hard to photoshop, etc... The average user is not going to be able to photoshop pics like that with any level of believability.

Though it is quickly becoming easier to fake a video using some new tools due to simply needing a few face snaps and/or inserting some dialogue and the software does it for you versus the picture option b/c then the individual would need to do that themselves.

Faking a video using programmatic techniques is easier b/c it's bound by a fairly rigid problem/concept domain (facial features + potentially dialogue; it's even easier if there is no dialogue, very easy).

Pictures can contain numerous items that are used to identify when it was taken, special items that couldn't be in the picture unless the person just took it (i.e. "time boxed" material - today's weather, unique items only the person would know or could request 3min ago, etc...). It is much harder to use algorithms to fake that b/c you need a human to select the items that need editing and exactly what needs editing (problem domain is infinitely larger).

Just something for everyone to be aware of and more food for thought

Now come on Mg smh

[mathguy]

No, seriously. U see the video link at least?
Don't have to read all of it. Faking video is becoming easier than Photoshop b/c u need no specific skills to do it convincingly.

Either a Facetime/Skype (if u r really that concerned) or simply pic with some identifier time scoped or even a simple video as Uni said is fine.

Main point is today you can't know without fail until you see them. It's not some huge issue, nah, unless ur a celebrity, but js bc it is the truth.

[lovelyxxxo]

i have to agree with mathguy here video editing is more simple then actually editing a photo in all honesty and its not new i mean queen of the damned was only halfway complete when alliyah died in r.l yet they cgi her in the rest of the movie.. or take the newest movie the irishman where they turned our very own robert deniro into his 19yr old self with cgi..its not diffucult to use anyone with a windows computer can download and run an application to edit and falsify...
long story short...
the only truth is in seeing the real thing.. period...my niece does the app all the time on her social media pics and videos she is board straight framewise but manages to look like a mini version of kim k on her pics and videos...

it takes her all of 30 to 45 min to do...

if you really wanna prove you are you post a pic with a clean face (no makeup) no kitty ears no filter..makeup itself is a form of falsifying . i mean even beyonce herself posted a #naked photo without her airbrushed face on and she looked totally diffrent..

so in reality..unless you are meeting all natural you are faking your appearance... period...