seems like donations are rising

[Onei5430]

Luv, all of those things (zero debt, excellent FICO, no mortgage) have no bearing when it comes to donations with providers.

You are quite right … it has everything to do with me and me only, which in turn has everything to do with the decisions I make and those decisions dictate who I do and do not see.

A cheap man haggles. AGREE Asks for specials BEEEP - Nope! I don't buy that one. It never hurts to ask. Be polite. If no is the answer, then no is the answer. Tries to lowball when he shows up for appointments True! Don't negotiate once there, either party. That's what makes a man cheap--not being a wise consumer.

A By all means, shop 'til you drop until you find a price point you're comfortable with donating. You sound like a man who does his due diligence. But if you haggle, then you're cheap.

[Daniel Larusso]

Hmmm, I hope providers are never so "desperate for cash" that they have to move off their suggested donations because a client thought he could take advantage of them because they were "desperate for cash."

Do you show up to your dentist/doctor/lawyer/accountant during your appointment, and "ask politely" for a discount? If the answer is no, then please reconsider doing it to companions. If you've had companions who were cool with it, then good for you. But I feel like I'm giving a high five to a dude who undertips at a restaurant.

You say it has not been an issue, but LESS DONATION is always an issue for a companion. No matter how you slice it.

How would clients feel if, during the date, a companion were to "ask politely" for a tip? I mean, companions are just female mongers so it's not out of line, right? But dudes would call that an "upsell." Which they hate.

For real, if a lowered donation is OFFERED or ADVERTISED, jump all over it. If not, please don't ask.

Trust me...it happens. There are lots of valid points here. I have mine and you have yours. We are all entitled to our opinions as well.

[Austin Ellen]

Absolutely. And I didn't get where I am by accepting cheap offers. I just bought a house - paid cash - no mortgage. No debt including autos. No credit card debt anymore. 815 last time I checked my credit score. Have investments with Edward Jones and I'm about to buy another house just for investment purposes. But all that doesn't have to do with a damn thing when it comes to donations and what the ladies are asking. But good for you that you manage your money well - a lot of us do too!!!!

I never “question” the rate. I ask and if it’s out of my price range I simply move on. NOTE: My price range is set me just as a providers is set by her. If you can call me cheap I’ll call you out as well. I didn’t get what I have by throwing money around. I manage my money well. I maintain an 800+ credit score, own my house (that means no loan) and have $0 in other debt, less my car. I have cash in the bank and investments. I just don’t throw my money around, especially for pussy. If that’s cheap, so be it, you still are not getting my money at rates “I” feel are too high. I’ll spend my hard earned cash somewhere else.

[Onei5430]

NONE OF THE FOLLOWING IS DIRECTED AT ANY ONE PERSON SO DON'T GET YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD OVER THIS!!!! (I know, wishful thinking, someone's going to get butt-hurt anyway. So what!)

Bottom line … charge what you want … I don't care. But don't come on the board asking for handouts, or crying about bills due, or can't make rent, or car problems, or, or, or … If you're requiring more for a hh than some make in a day, I don't want to hear an ounce of complaining … manage your fucking money.

Let's do the math. If you are seeing (on average) ONLY 1 guy a day at $350 an hour for say 20 days a month that's $7,000 of non-taxed income a month and $84,000 a year. Now if you rent a room at $110 a night for 20 nights that comes to $2,200 a month or $26,400 a year, leaving you $57,600 NON-TAXABLE income a year. Working only 240 days out of 365 for say, what, 2-3 hours a day, counting getting ready and all?! That's roughly 720 hours a YEAR. On a 40 hr work week that's a total 18 WEEKS a year you work (at 3 hrs a day). If a single person can't manage to live comfortably on $50,000+ a year, even here in Austin, then they have no idea of how to manage their money. And again, These numbers represent only seeing ONE client per day for TWENTY days per month. I wasn't born last night and I know for a fact that these number are low.

HERE'S THE MATH:
350x20=7000
7000x12=84000

110x20=2200
2200x12=26400

84000-26400=57600

HOURS WORKED:
3x20x12=720 hrs.
720/40=18 weeks

So don't feed me any bullshit lines about the cost of living, cost of doing business, yada, yada, yada … I'm not interested. I live here too. I know what it takes to put food on the table, pay my electric bill, yada, yada, yada. You want to be treated like any other profession as has been stated, then damnit I'll hold you to the same standard. If you don't provide superb quality for the price you charge I'm going to blast your ass all over the internet. And since we don't "Yelp review" ******s, this is where it happens, deal with the backlash. I don't make six figures a year and I bust my ass for everything I have. When I share my hard earned cash with a lady, I damn sure expect to get my money's worth. If not, I will NEVER be back. These is no strike two with me.

And as far as I'm concerned, anyone and everyone that wants to put me on a do not see list, have at it. I don't give a rats ass one way or the other. I don't NEED this hobby. I do this because I WANT to. I'll save my money (like I've been doing lately) and spend it elsewhere, I just got back from a great vacation where I splurged on me vs. this hobby. In fact, I spent over $500 for an hour of one excursion and it was well worth the money spent. Doubtful I'll ever do it again, but it was a once in a lifetime event.

I'm a hard ass when it comes to my money and I know it. But don't call me cheap because I refuse to pay exorbitant prices just because it spreads its legs. And being a hard ass does not mean that I am disrespectful. Ask any lady that I've seen and they will tell you I always treat them with respect. I don't haggle! I don't cheat them out of their donation! In fact, recently I saw one girl and only planned on a hh. One thing led to another and I ended up being there an hour. I didn't have the funds with me to make up the difference, but two days later I met her (the delay was due to her not getting back with me in a timely manner) and I gave her the difference owed. I don't abuse ladies in any way! Whatever limitations you may have, I always respect them! I do my research, ask my questions (that's not being cheap BTW), and make an informed decision. So if you're going to charge BMW and Ferrari prices, then you had better damn well deliver the ride. I've owned a BMW, JAG, AUDI and Corvette and will doubtfully ever own another. In the long run, it's just another car. Yeah, they are fun cars, but I'm past that. That's not being cheap … that's spending MY money MY way. It's like the saying I heard once:

Men like their cars like the like their women…
When they are young they want one that is fast, sleek and sexy…
But when they get older, they just want one that's not going to cause them a lot of trouble.

Now I've said my peace. I won't engage in any further discussion on this.

CONCLUSION:
My money = I get to spend it my way
Your body = you get the charge what you desire
If we happen to meet somewhere in the middle we are both happy.

[Guest 121219-1]

[B][COLOR="#B22222"]But don't call me cheap because I refuse to pay exorbitant prices just because she spreads her legs.

FTFY. Please do not refer to women as "it."

As for your math example, it seems that you are not staying in your lane. Your lane involves deciding who you want to see, and whether you want to honor her donation. That's your lane.

Your lane does not involve our business. If a companion comes on a board, crying about bills, and a client falls for it--then a fool and his money just went separate ways. Again, not your lane.

You sound like a fiscally sound man who makes firm hobby decisions because you want to. That's your lane.

Extrapolating fake donations and expenses for an imaginary companion is not your lane. Determining what we decide is our worth is also not your lane.

Just as you do not intend to butt hurt anyone, nor do I.

[Universal]

A lady that can get more money is a better business entrepreneur but she ain't begging men to haggle or negotiate her fees. Show me a website or advertising anywhere that has, Haggling welcome. No such business criteria is in existence.
You can negotiate the price of a house because of the area, size, construction type... Sooo take that same concept on a escort, she has stellar reviews, upscale location, gives regulars discounts.... She can charge more based on her reputation Brand.

[DallasRain]

I give longtime repeat friends deals from time-to-time......maybe a little off regular donation/maybe extra time/maybe a lunch out off the clock/birthday deals/etc.........loyalty gets rewarded.

[Guest 121219-1]

I give longtime repeat friends deals from time-to-time......maybe a little off regular donation/maybe extra time/maybe a lunch out off the clock/birthday deals/etc.........loyalty gets rewarded.

Agreed. I do the same.

But it is initiated by ME. I would literally show some guy to the door if he showed up to our date, and asked me for a lowered donation. No matter how politely he asked. I wouldn't care if butter melted in his mouth. Rude and cheap is rude and cheap. No matter how you hold your mouth when you ask a provider if she minds taking a lowered donation because you are trying to take advantage of her.

Not all money is good money, and I ain't thirsty enough to keep a haggler in my circle of friends.

[killeeninformer2]

Donations *are* rising. That would be mostly fine since my income is likewise at an all time high. The problem for me is that the service and quality is at all time low and there is no real correlation with cost and quality. I can have an absolutely amazing time with a model gorgeous girl who either loves the session or deserves an oscar for 200/300. Or I can have a resentful woman who has misrepresented herself in pics, acts like she's doing me a favor, doesn't move, and likes to give one word answers in text... for 200/300. The latter is far more common.

Not to mention that while few of them would match the first example I find far more girls off this site who charge much less and are flatly superior in offered services to most women on this site.

The result of this? I still don't haggle. I respect that you can charge what you want but it's a little ridiculous I don't get the same respect when I say "No sorry, I'll pass."

But I'm seeing fewer and fewer girls over time. Hell I'm not even trying new girls anymore because I don't have a lot of incentive to play the odds that I'll be happy with the session. I would probably be willing to pay the 200/300 if I knew I the juice was worth the squeeze. And even leaving aside considerations of taste I cannot trust reviews.

So in my situation we have a young (by the standards of this site) guy who is making plenty enough income whose spending on the hobby is taking a nosedive. I'm also hearing more and more that business is slowing down for girls. What you all do with this information is up to you.

[NaughtyNaomi]

I'm raising my donations, but that's because of the service I provide. I always have a nice location, and now private residences. There's candles, music, water, towels. You're able to shower, relax, and I'm fetish friendly. I don't rush, and you'll always get consistency. I work very hard to ensure an amazing experience, so that's why I'm raising them. I was often told that I should raise them, and so I finally made a leap despite eccie. I try very hard to maintain a good reputation, and I've grandfathered in my regulars. So that being said, I don't see it as a problem.

But I get it from the clients point of view, so I'm definitely being cautious. It sucks when you do invest more money to not get amazing service. So I can only hold myself to a higher standard if I'm raising my donations.

[risn2theoccasion2]

I believe in Free Market and Capitalism. A business person may charge what they like for their product or service. I will not haggle. I don't have the time or energy to do so. In fact, I think it is insulting to all parties involved.

By the same token, as a consumer, I will shop and pay what I feel is a fair price. If their price is beyond my means, or desire to pay, I will move on. No hard feelings.

[quzi]

touring girls aren't coming as often. I found this: The average daily rate for a hotel room in Austin is $150.07, well ahead of Odessa/Midland, which came in second with $139.02, according to a second-quarter report from Source Strategies Inc. Austin also had the highest occupancy in the second quarter at 77%.

[Sue Nami]

Quzi, not to mention rent. the rate at my teeny incall apartment has DOUBLED in 5 years. I have not raised my donations at all even tho I am paying twice as much rent.

[Raikage]

I don't believe in haggling, if the price is not right, it is very easy to move on.
If I have a girl I have seen for a long time, they often will lower the price for me if I don't have a lot at the time and I often pay extra if we are friends and they let me know that they need help.

In this world, there are just too many better alternatives to get hung up on some provider who wants 300 for an hour or whatever.

[Oral Empress]

My rates have only risen once since I first came on the scene, and won't again for a very long time, if ever, and I do specials semi-regularly to drive up business. I feel my rates are fair considering how much I'm willing and capable of doing. That being said, the most recent alteration is that I don't alter my rates for content of session. When I first started in the hobby, I was taught that gentlemen were paying for my TIME, not what occurs during that time. That has its ups and its downs, like for example, MSOG is not an upcharge as long as it's within the timeframe, but FBSM and CW do not reduce rates. Might seem unfair, but I put an immense amount of effort into everything I do, even the "little things".

I don't mind haggling, I don't mind negotiating, y'all don't bother me, if you're going through some shit, talk to me, I'm pretty understanding and make occasional allowances depending on the argument being made. Now, I'm not gonna stand for haggling or asking about specials on any grounds outside of YOUR situation, and my generosity only extends so far (ex. you're not going to get an hour for 100, you're just not) and deals made are not necessarily permanent for the next time. My reviews speak for themselves, I provide the best experience I possibly can, and I actively strive to accommodate things and improve constantly.

But that's just me. I think my prices are fair, I think my policies are just, and I'm very easy going unless given a reason not to be.