Reviews... BCD vs. OPEN

[Guest 011810-1]

Thats what I'm talking about BigC.
It seems that the guys JUMP on how did I know something was wrong with the review. Well for one thing, he recommended us both. But in the date with me he did nothing but COMPLAIN about her to me. I should have gotten a BAD review (as far as my choice of a doubles partner to be honest) He plainly showed for all to see that he recommened us both. That was an out and out lie he told.
Because I feel it so important to tell the truth on the reviews I went to a mod and asked him to check it out for me. I told him I had a feeling that he lied on the review bcd but I had no way of knowing for sure. So the mod heard my side, in detail. He went back and checked it out.
Now how SAD is it that I have to tell this story every time to any aspd male member cause they are so scared I saw bcd? All to get you guys the TRUTH. And here again, I have to tell what happened. Gee, thank me for getting the truth to you guys instead of letting a lie stand, and who cares if your lied to? I do!
You guys need to find another way to do the reviews where us ladies don't have to explain the truth all the time.
For your information I have NOT seen bcd, do NOT WANT TO see bcd. But I sure would like to get a review where I dont' have to go asking a mod if they told the truth or not. THAT IS SAD and doesn't say much for the way the reviews are done here on aspd. You guys need to do something about that. Give us women a break!
I still can't believe that no matter how many times I tell this story, the thing you guys seem to be bothered about is how did I know the review was false. Geeeeeze guys, you'd know if a false review was put up of you if things didn't add up with what you could see of the review, I mean you were THERE right?

As to how I feel about the other ladies on other boards...I'm seeing first hand that it CAN WORK if the ladies are able to SEE the entire review. Funny but no one has argued or had fits yet about it. It keeps the guys telling the truth too. They even like it after giving it a chance. They know the reviews will be truthful and not just a beating of the chests. I'm living it and so far its working. I suggest you try it as well. It also keeps the guys honest with the OTHER guys. Try it before you trash the idea at least. Or try something different.
I would hope that aspd would WANT the board to be fair to EVERYONE not just the guys. I mean really guys, what do you have to hide if your telling the truth? And if you have something negative to say, why not find a NICE way to say it. That way you can be truthful and she can get the input she needs.
You dont' have to call her fat or ugly just say she was not the size I had hoped for, from her pics...or I prefer slimmer or heavier women. There are ways of saying things without pissing someone off. But if you write mean and hurtful things then yes the woman would be mad and hurt. I think the changes need to come from you guys first. Then you'll see that us ladies will come around too. And you might be shocked to know that us ladies will back you guys with the ladies that dont' do the system right. But you have to give us something to work with first...besides talking about us behind our backs.
Sorry if my bluntness offends, but I thought you'd want input from the women as well. I'm telling the truth as I see it and live it. I think I've been around in this buiz long enough to know what I'm talking about.
And for your information I don't belong to any all woman boards, and I dont post open alerts on the guys. If I have a problem I back channel to my g/f's. I've never been out to get anyone by posting untrue things about them.
Is there a problem with me voicing my thoughts? I can prove what I've said.
Oh and btw, that guy never got in trouble or pointed for giving you guys a false review to go by. Funny he's not been questioned at all as far as I know. But I get the questions...see the PROBLEM with the system here? Not one bloody thank you to me for making sure you guys got the truth instead of lies. I mean you rely on the truth of the reviews to know who you want to see, right? hmmmmm

[MrGiz]

Thanks, for the input, June. I think you have backed up most, if not all of my original points.

If there's nothing false or overly-rudely stated.... AND.... the girls cannot post reply commentary, anyway.... what's the use of the info being hidden? If a guy wants to go off on a rant about a particular girl, and suspend any and all tact in doing so.... we have the Locker Room. The girls have their own space for their own rants, as well.

I never expected to create any changes in the way reviews are posted here... I only wish there was more board interaction between the sexes. The olde system created animosity by secrecy. I thought the current ASPD / Home2 situation might be a good time to discuss the possibility of slight changes.... maybe not.

Giz

[Guest 011810-1]

I agree with you Giz. ASPD needs to come out of the dark ages and join the world of today.
I'm not against reviews, what I'm against is the way they are done. And your right keeping things hidden from us women is wrong, just wrong. I see no sense in it. By having it set up this way the guys are setting themselves up to be lied to with almost NO safety checks. Most of the women won't buck the system for fear of being labeled drama queens or trouble makers.
I don't care what I'm labeled, I'm going to tell the truth, period. I've always maintained a high standard in my reviews being truthful and I'll continue to back that up till the day I retire.
ASPD has the chance to make changes at this time. It would be ashame to waste that chance and go back to a system that really doesnt work very well.
Why be afraid of change is my question?

[FriendsnFunTX]

My policy here on the HOME2 board is to always post the review with comments out in the open for all to see. The only exception is when the provider requests the comments be BCD or I have not been able to contact the provider prior to making the post. I always tell the provider in detail what my comments will be concerning our time together. It's simply a reflection of what occurred during our date as I see it. If I have a difference of opinion with the lady that can't be mutually resolved then I don't post a review. I've found that most of our ladies welcome full disclosure and even find it as a form of positive advertising. Here is my latest review as an example. Just my $.02

http://home2.invisionzone.com/index.php?sh...ic=2981&hl=

[BIG C]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junesetx @ Mar 16 2009, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I agree with you Giz. ASPD needs to come out of the dark ages and join the world of today.
I&#39;m not against reviews, what I&#39;m against is the way they are done. And your right keeping things hidden from us women is wrong, just wrong. I see no sense in it. By having it set up this way the guys are setting themselves up to be lied to with almost NO safety checks. Most of the women won&#39;t buck the system for fear of being labeled drama queens or trouble makers.
I don&#39;t care what I&#39;m labeled, I&#39;m going to tell the truth, period. I&#39;ve always maintained a high standard in my reviews being truthful and I&#39;ll continue to back that up till the day I retire.
ASPD has the chance to make changes at this time. It would be ashame to waste that chance and go back to a system that really doesnt work very well.
Why be afraid of change is my question?[/b]

And I just happen to disagree with both yours and Giz&#39;s assessment that ASPD was in the dark ages.....And you still haven&#39;t answered why it&#39;s ok for the women to have their gender restricted areas and can lie about the men (and I know they do lie on several boards and I&#39;m sure they do it on ASPD and home2 also), but you have this huge disdain for the BCD areas on ASPD.....There are plenty of times when a reviewer has blatantly lied about a session and when he was found out, that review was removed and often the reviewer was either banned or suspended.....Fake reviews were/are considered a serious offense.....Blatant lying about what happened in a review probably wasn&#39;t considered as serious, but it was a serious offense and generally if found out that reviewer lost his own credibility.....See, I just don&#39;t buy the "we need reviews to be out in the open because we want the truth to be told" angle.....Most reviewers are going to tell the truth in a review, and for those who are going to lie, even if you could read the review, you can&#39;t respond to the review thread.....

I also happen to know that there are other major escort review boards that have comments sections that are NOT viewable by the general public and to get the so called "juicy details" you have to either pay for them, or submit reviews that get approved (sound familiar???)......

Gotta run for a minute.....Be back later as I&#39;m sure you and Giz will have further comments.....

[MrGiz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BIG C @ Mar 16 2009, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

And you still haven&#39;t answered why it&#39;s ok for the women to have their gender restricted areas and can lie about the men...... but you have this huge disdain for the BCD areas on ASPD.....[/b]

I think that&#39;s a moot point! We all know both males and females have their own, private forums where they can each, say anything they want.... hidden from the opposite sex.

The point of contention is.... the Review Forums are not hidden.... so why should some of the content be? I know... I know.... it&#39;s to protect delicate egos. Well..... okay, I suppose.... but it just seems childish to me!

Giz

[Guest 011810-1]

On every board that I know of there is a mens and womens section. I don&#39;t participate in the one on aspd except to let the ladies know that I am reference friendly. I am only wondering why there is hidden text, within a "public" forum... such as the Review Forum.
I know we can&#39;t answer back in the reveiw area but being able to read the review, if its a false one and I can prove it why not let me?

[hobbihorse2]

"If there&#39;s nothing false or overly-rudely stated.... AND.... the girls cannot post reply commentary, anyway.... what&#39;s the use of the info being hidden? If a guy wants to go off on a rant about a particular girl, and suspend any and all tact in doing so..."

Mr. Giz,

Just to remind you, I had a so/so review about a provider about 7-8 months ago. There was nothing bad in the review but it wasn&#39;t a ringing endorsement. I even admitted that I did not know why it wasn&#39;t as good as most people would expect (she has great reviews everywhere). I not only recommended her but also said that I needed a second visit to see if it was an off day on either of our accounts. The e-mails and PM&#39;s after somebody shared that review with her was ridiculous. I was accused of anything from costing her business to outright being an asshole. And that was where I had a mildly (but not overly) positive review.

Now tell me how this will work if there wasn&#39;t BCD; If I ever have a bad experience, I can do two things; a) say nothing to anyone ,B) tell the truth and deal with the backlash. Needless to say, most of us would choose the option (a) in fear of being outed or having to deal with the drama. At that point, we can all kiss the board good-bye as a forum to honestly share information.

Don&#39;t get me wrong, I believe all communication should be in a respectable manner but I just don&#39;t want to deal with people who might come after me for something they perceive different than I intended.

HH

[BIG C]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MrGiz @ Mar 16 2009, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I think that&#39;s a moot point! We all know both males and females have their own, private forums where they can each, say anything they want.... hidden from the opposite sex.

The point of contention is.... the Review Forums are not hidden.... so why should some of the content be? I know... I know.... it&#39;s to protect delicate egos. Well..... okay, I suppose.... but it just seems childish to me!

Giz
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And once again I have to disagree with you that the point is not moot because she came out all hell fired up about the guys having a place to post that she can&#39;t see and I merely asked why it was okay for the ladies to have a place like that but it&#39;s not right for the guys to have a place.....But, it&#39;s also a good thing that she didn&#39;t answer the question anyway since it wasn&#39;t on topic with this thread and then I might have had to punish myself for hijacking this thread.....lol

Again, I disagree with your point about it being childish to have BCD comments in the reviews section because that&#39;s just the way things run on each one of the major boards and it&#39;s just a function of life.....None of the other major boards allow total unrestricted access to the comments sections on their reviews and you either have to pay to get the details, or you have to submit approved reviews.....And those review areas are open to the public just the same way that things are done on ASPD.....That&#39;s just the nature of the business.....

[atlcomedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MrGiz @ Mar 15 2009, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

[font="Comic Sans MS"][i][color="#000080"]I wonder what the advantages are, of BCD comments not being public! In all my years of hobbying… I&#39;ve never met a girl who was too shy or sheltered to be offended by positive, graphic details.

Interesting discussion and I think timely. I wanted to respond to the above as it was in the thread starting post: I have & they are well respected ASPD members. In fact they don&#39;t want reviews at all, much less the intimate details available to anyone. Not good or bad, just their personal preference. Many acknowledge this causes them to miss out on some dates & they are fine with that.

I am strongly against hobbyist reviews! We are paying for discretion. If a guy is a bad apple there area all kinds of private blacklists etc. out there. On the positive side, it already takes place informally thru remarks in various threads like, "xyz, great to see you" or "can&#39;t wait to meet again" -- anyway I think it is a moot point as I don&#39;t see it happening.

[MrGiz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BIG C @ Mar 17 2009, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I merely asked why it was okay for the ladies to have a place like that but it&#39;s not right for the guys to have a place.....[/b]

<span style="color:#000080">I don&#39;t believe that charge was ever made... much less, intended. We all know that both sexes have their own "place".... that cannot be denied, or argued!! What "good" did BCD protected comments do for "Hobbiehorse" in his example? THAT is one of the points I was trying to make.... quite apparently.... unsuccessfully.

ONE of the differences on at least ONE of the other MAJOR review sites is.... females can purchase the same, exact VIP Status as the males.... and gain the same exact access to review details.

None of this really matters a great deal.... but in times where many are expounding the virtues of transparency in the New World Order.... we are failing, miserably, in this little wedge of the hobby world, at having the sexes unite. THAT is what I was calling childish!

Giz
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[Guest 011810-1]

Hmmmm, why stay in the dark, I&#39;m opting for the sunshine. Enjoy yourselves guys!