Being stiffed on time

[charlestudor2005]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wicked milf @ Feb 28 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Younger gals are like roller coasters: you get a quick fast thrill and then it abruptly comes to a halt. (that&#39;s a provider)
Mature women are like a ferris wheel: you get to savor the ride for a while, all while enjoying the intimacy/closeness and the pleasure of enjoying
the ride a second or 3rd time. It seems like an never ending ride! (this is a GFE companion).[/b]

I really like this analogy. :) I&#39;m going to keep it in mind for the future.

[wicked milf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (charlestudor2005 @ Mar 1 2009, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Additionally, a word to providers: I do surf different sites and find your rate structures confusing. The rate posted on your website does not agree with P411 and does not agree with ASPD and so forth. I want the rate most beneficial to me. However, if I wind up donating less than what you expect, I&#39;m afraid you will post to other providers that I stiffed you on the donation. I do want the best rate, but a little clarity here would be nice.

Thanks for providing this space in which to post these observations. As a newbie, I have found it extremely helpful.[/b]

Ladies offer certain specials to folks on different boards. It&#39;s a way of showing appreciation to the masses which are known within the community.
If you come a differing rate one one site that doesn&#39;t reflect on another site. Or even on her website.
Just let the lady know *which site you found her on* (even contact her through that site) and perhaps highlight the rate/Ad you are contacting her in ref to.
and that way there will be no misunderstandings as to what donation is might be expecting from you.

I don&#39;t change my website rates. Because those or reg rates.. But I duly note in my Ads on the sites in which I post.
What my specials are and I always honor my specials.

I don&#39;t know how other ladies do their specials/rate and so forth. But if you go about it in the manner in which I mentioned.
You should be just fine.



And my specials don&#39;t take away from my reg rates (which on are on my website) the specials I run actually ADD more TIME.
So in reality....my rates never change.

[Sarahsmiles]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (charlestudor2005 @ Mar 1 2009, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

The implication here is that because this happened two times, I am a jerk. However, I think that I am just a victim of my own "newbieness" to the hobby. The first young lady who stiffed me on time was a CL pick on which I had done no research. My own fault. She was young, and although she did provide CFS, she definitely was not a GFE and did not allow DATY (or even know what it was--I had to explain), nor anything else other than the CG pop. And I did review her in the Houston ASPD side of reviews.

However, the second time I did my research, and expected so much more. And was disappointed.

I would also like to say something about the various theories that have been posted. First of all, I was reared to be a man of my word: if I agree to pay for an hour, I do just that. Nothing deters me from that conduct. I have been with providers where we did finish early, and the provider offered to reduce the donation somewhat and I declined. My point of view is that I asked her to set aside an hour and she expected that income, and we just ended early. I live up to my end of the bargain by standing by my commitment. I doubt that I will under any circumstances suggest a lesser amount than the original agreement.

On the other hand, if the provider ends the session early, especially if it is a significant amount of time, I would hope that the provider would offer to reduce the amount, then it would be up to me to accept or deny that offer. If it is just 10 or 15 minutes, I would probably deny. However, if we are reaching the half hour point, that is another story. And the reduction might not be 1/2. Most providers post a half hour rate, and it is generally not 1/2 of the hour rate, it is more to encourage booking a full hour. So it might be the half hour rate.

Additionally, a word to providers: I do surf different sites and find your rate structures confusing. The rate posted on your website does not agree with P411 and does not agree with ASPD and so forth. I want the rate most beneficial to me. However, if I wind up donating less than what you expect, I&#39;m afraid you will post to other providers that I stiffed you on the donation. I do want the best rate, but a little clarity here would be nice.

Thanks for providing this space in which to post these observations. As a newbie, I have found it extremely helpful.[/b]

After having spent time with you recently, I must say that you are a TRUE gentleman and that a provider who was up to no good would probably just know that she would get away with doing something so scandalous because of your gentle and kind nature. I learned from my time with you and with many other hobbyists that there are ALWAYS fun ways to spend our time together (note to self: carry personal size bottles of massage oil in the future). ;)

And, as for the rates, I sometimes post a little lower on my ASPD ads (or on here) than I do on Cityvibe, TER, etc. And, then I confuse myself. So, I THINK for the most part, they are pretty standard. HOWEVER, in my case, the P411 rate is the way to go because I, like most providers, do offer an additional discount just because you guys make the screening process SO much easier!

Sarah

[wicked milf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (charlestudor2005 @ Mar 1 2009, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I really like this analogy. :) I&#39;m going to keep it in mind for the future.[/b]

Another difference between Women & younger gals.

Younger gals give you that feeling of feeling young.
Mature women make you feel like a desirable man.

Which is more important to you men?

Feeling young for a quick moment and then the thrill is gone?

Or feeling like a beautiful desirable man in the presence/under the touch of a mature woman who
makes you feel like your in an never ending dream? Enjoying an intimate experience that the younger
girls have never made you feel.

Seriously, what is more important to you men? How many times do you leave feeling empty.....not
really having enjoyed the intimacy that you long for?

[maxx (no longer active here)]

[quote]
"Another difference between Women & younger gals.

Younger gals give you that feeling of feeling young.
Mature women make you feel like a desirable man."

You pretty much hit it on the head with that quote WM. The younger girls do make you feel more virile and for the moment like we did 20 -30 years ago, but for the moment, and then it&#39;s over. You go away with that feeling for a little while but then it&#39;s back to reality. How many 45 -55 year old men are really desired by a 20 - 30 year old woman? Older, mature women do give you that feeling of desireablility, that your still desired by someone of the same genre so to speak. I do like to venture to the younger side now and then but you&#39;re right, my preference is a more mature lady, the memory of the experience tends to linger with you longer, ocassionally you run across the younger one with the mature mindset but they seem to be in the minority.

[sexualkitty]

Since we&#39;re on the subject of time. What&#39;s the best approach for asking a gentleman for the additional rate when the time has gone over?

[thetherapist (no longer active here)]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sexualkitty @ Mar 4 2009, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Since we&#39;re on the subject of time. What&#39;s the best approach for asking a gentleman for the additional rate when the time has gone over?[/b]

It might be a sensitive and complex issue onto itself on another forum. But in my experiences, some indies and agencies have strict rules in not ever discussing it ($) during & after a session. I always abide by those rules as one very special & experienced provider from the west coast taught me of the reasonings behind it. Of course, on the review side as some might conceive it as a kind of upselling. A seasoned client should always come prepared whenever he wants to extend the session a little longer in order to continue the wonderful time with the lovely provider. If she declines for some reasons, on his discretion a true gentlemen would leave a deserving tip at least especially on the added bonus of not clock-watching. Us gents really appreciate what a wonderful experience GFE providers give as well as not being clock-watchers. But it still boils down to research and all matter of rates, time & extras should have been taken care of & agreed upon by both parties prior to the meeting. B)

[Gentleman8888]

WOW,

This has been a truly insightful posting. Wicked, I am probably going to have to put you at the top of my list. If for nothing else than your spectacular attitude. (I am not ignoring your body though!) Attitude makes a big difference.
I have only had one provider (the youngest at about 30 y/o) that did not give extra time. I actually wanted to get out of there early, for various reasons. My personal observation is that as a hobbyist I question some of the reviews put forth by other hobbyists. When I have a session with one of our Adorables and she makes comments or suggestions, about her likes and dislikes, I listen to her. Then I read something in a review about how this provider really enjoyed such and such, that she had just told me that she did not, I question the validity of the review! I try to take the time to talk with the ladies I am with to find out HER likes and dislikes beforehand or at the start of the session. Too much self aggrandizement in some of the reviews. (No monk, reb, gman, tc, I am not referring to you.)
I now make my selections based not only on my own research but also on the reviews by other gentleman of the various ladies. I have found several hobbyists that have similar taste (no pun intended, I don&#39;t think) as I do.
Chas, something that I have been doing that seems to really help: In a pre-appointment e-mail I confirm the time, the day AND the date, and the session length. Included are my likes and dislikes. This actually saved an appointment this weekend that the provider had mistaken the day and the date.

Best of luck Chas and thanks to all who made this such an enlightening post.

G8888

[atlcomedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sexualkitty @ Mar 4 2009, 03:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Since we&#39;re on the subject of time. What&#39;s the best approach for asking a gentleman for the additional rate when the time has gone over?[/b]

I know this doesn&#39;t answer your question, but I&#39;ll answer with the same reply my lawyer gives me to about every question I ask her and that is "It Depends"

Is the extra time significant?

Does your definition of "start time" match his?

Is this the first time it has happened with him?

Based on how well you know him, how do you think he would respond to a direct request for additional payment?

Do you think he actually has more $$$ on his person?

Is he a haggler -- did he already try to negotiate your rate down?

Bottom line -- really -- is ask yourself the question:

Do you value his repeat business?

Generally speaking I think if the answer is YES, and he hasn&#39;t tried to abuse your generousity, your best bet is to simply say, "I&#39;ve really enjoyed seeing you, next time I want to suggest you go with the longer session" & leave it at that.

As another poster pointed out communication really is the key here. My belief is if the provider wants to ensure she doesn&#39;t have any unpaid time, she owns (politely) telling the guy time is up.

I will say that most guys that are not new to this whole deal have pretty good internal clocks and within 10 or so minutes know how long they&#39;ve been there. I have extended dates (at my request) and paid for the add&#39;l time. I have also had situations when the arranged time is coming to an end and she makes no atttempt to leave. Usually I will say something to the extent of "You are more than welcome to hang out for a little while longer, but just to be clear this is still a 2 hour (or whatever was originally agreed upon) date." Some do, some don&#39;t. The situation I want to avoid is if she hangs out for an extra hour or so bullshitting or watching a movie and having a cocktail or two I want there to be no misunderstanding: those are not billable hours for her.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wicked milf @ Mar 1 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Ladies offer certain specials to folks on different boards. ...........
And my specials don&#39;t take away from my reg rates (which on are on my website) the specials I run actually ADD more TIME.
So in reality....my rates never change.[/b]

I think that is brilliant

[houstonsmartgal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quiet Smiles @ Feb 25 2009, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Most GFE providers don&#39;t operate that way. If anything, we tend to go over on time and are rarely compensated for the extra. Typically, GFE providers enjoy kissing and snuggling and wouldn&#39;t think of jumping up and leaving like that. We are also much more about pleasing the gentleman and unless it&#39;s something we just don&#39;t do, like greek or something, we go with what the gentleman wants to do. I can&#39;t imagine ignoring a request like that and forcing the gentleman pop asap.

However, some providers operate under a different set rules. A lot of them say in their ads "up to an hour" - that&#39;s code for "you pop, I leave." I would hope that previous reviews would tip a guy off to which kind of experience he can likely expect - that way he can choose a provider who&#39;s more in tune with his idea of fun. ;)[/b]

geez, rules, rules, rules, dang some of these providers have so many rules i dont see how they remember all of em. i&#39;m guessing these providers were not members of TER or ASPD. &#39;cause the providers is see posting on these sites really enjoy providing and want to please their client and wouldnt run out just because of a pop anyway. geez louise, i wonder if i hire a male escort is he gonna hop out the door after my first cup of coffee ? e

[houstonsmartgal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (charlestudor2005 @ Feb 26 2009, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I generally do my research, and I did this time. That is why I was able to say Gina had excellent reviews.[/b]

and she played that crap anyway?

[houstonsmartgal]

[quote]
[quote]
"Another difference between Women & younger gals.

Younger gals give you that feeling of feeling young.
Mature women make you feel like a desirable man."

You pretty much hit it on the head with that quote WM. The younger girls do make you feel more virile and for the moment like we did 20 -30 years ago, but for the moment, and then it&#39;s over. You go away with that feeling for a little while but then it&#39;s back to reality. How many 45 -55 year old men are really desired by a 20 - 30 year old woman? Older, mature women do give you that feeling of desireablility, that your still desired by someone of the same genre so to speak. I do like to venture to the younger side now and then but you&#39;re right, my preference is a more mature lady, the memory of the experience tends to linger with you longer, ocassionally you run across the younger one with the mature mindset but they seem to be in the minority.




I sometimes think i&#39;m the oldest kitty cat in this business when i look at the ads of my peers. either someone aint truthin or i&#39;m reallllllllllly out of my league. my 2 cents however, is that my many of my clients are 20 and 30 somethings, which really has shocked me frankly. but they definitely steer clear of the youngster providers for the same reason they stear clear of youngster civvies. THEY DONT WANT NO DRAMA OR BS.
Now i know lots of gals wont see anybody under 30. thats their perogative. but dang, its a real boost to the ego of this fat old grandma that some young buck wants to pony up 3 franklins or more to roll around in the sheets with me. (some have done it several times) my only posted review is from a 25 year old. granted they are easy to impress LOL, but i&#39;m downright blushing.

[GenesisNicole]

I&#39;m feel so bad that you had that experience not once but twice----that is not a true GFE and i&#39;m pretty sure that me along with others here would be more than happy to give you the experience that you are truely looking to have ... ANYTIME!!!

[Nicole London]

I agree that you need to assert yourself. If you paid for the 1hr you deserve an hour. If 30 mins into the session she decides it is time to go she should get 1/2. Yes normally the 1/2 hr rate is more than 1/2 the donation for a full hour. But you know what? You didn&#39;t book an half hour session. You booked a full hour. So the provider doesn&#39;t get to charge 250/hr and 200/ half and still leave with 200. Give her 125 and I bet the next time she thinks about walking out of a session 1/2 way she will rethink and stay. That is what is fair to the hobbyists.

I do not measure my sessions by time. I measure them by satisfaction. What is a few extra minutes if it means someone leaves my presence happier and more fullfilled than when they walked in... and I am only 25 and I know that much. With a younger woman you may get to the promise land a little quicker but the view is still a mighty one to behold. LOL :D