squirting is peeing

[mathguy]

Wow, talk about fake news^^^^^

100% SCIENTIFICALLY explained accurately. Any number of searches and literature would bring others to the same place. Thank you for doing all of the foot work for everyone. You're truly appreciated for putting an end to the madness.

Xo

+1 and hot damn, smart men are sexy as hell! The path to this woman's secret garden starts with the mind!

Thanks girls!! Much appreciated, truly, and I'm always happy to share and/or please!

Math guy....... for you to say I do not TEACH them to squirt is quite disingenuous unless you are there.

Sue, I'm sorry you took it so harshly. I didn't mean it to be disingenuous. Actually I was trying to be quite sincere, objective, and honest. If you meant in so much as to be said in a deceitful manner (disingenuous can also be used as a near synonym for deceit) then that also was certainly not my aim. Not at all. I assure you.

Please do not disparage my ability to mentor women into the squirting realm and my skills at making women reach this desirable goal of sheer orgasmic pleasure and ecstasy.

Math guy please do not disparage my skills and abilities to teach squirting and do not disparage women who squirt and women who mentor women to a higher sexual plane and spread knowledge and sexual pleasure.

I only want to reemphasize that my goal or intent was not one bit to disparage you, or any women, at all. Absolutely not.

this is the epitome of mansplaining telling me i have not taught 100's of women this skill. squirting is a teachable skill and i am the squirt whisperer and i have made women squirt from age 18-78, many for the first time. it is my gift and skill you do not have the right to say I can not do this unless u come hang out with me and apprentice with me and see my skills in action. the bottom line is, wet sex is good sex.

I'm very sorry that you see it this way but I appreciate your right to that point of view. I don't personally think science supports that *all* women can ejaculate or have g-spot orgasms due to the reasons I've explained above and elsewhere. This would also mean not all women could be taught.

I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with wet sex, female ejaculation, etc... However, my own personal preference is that I've not one inkling of interest to ever be involved in a golden shower (for example).

I also agree that you can teach some women, or specific women, under certain conditions. Conditions that I think are very clear from a scientific perspective. I'm sorry but that's what I see from an objective look at the science and a good bit of experience with a few women who could squirt or g-spot orgasm.

1. I agree 100% that the relaxation along with learning to love your own body, feel it, let go of shame, etc... are all part of the process of potentially learning to orgasm harder, or even g-spot orgasm/squirt.

2. However, very importantly the female must have those nerve endings, the nerve tissue and sensitive centers that make up what has come to be known as the "g-spot".

3. Another thing is that the girl in question also likely needs the Skene's glands in enough abundance, or size, or at least some of them that exist, even one, in order to secrete any prostatic like fluid (however realize that most tests show that secretion is incredibly similar or virtually identical to urine).

I truly didn't mean anything negative toward you and I hope that you continue to have success with your teaching. I do absolutely think teaching women is possible. I simply can't reconcile that teaching *all* women is possible. If they end up doing it, or appear to, I would hypothesize that it's from an extreme desire to want to, so they trick themselves into thinking peeing has become this intense g-spot squirting orgasm for "them".

I'm sorry if it offends you. I really am. That was not the intention of my post Sue. Sorry.

-MG

[Sue Nami]

Clearly at no point did I ever say ALL women and you said the blanket statement ( implying all) that squirting can not be taught. it can. the thing about talking about squirting, it is often used on these sort of boards to shame those who squirt and those who like women who squirt. the joy of this hobby is u can pursue and enjoy what you like and ignore what you don't. as those here who have been around a long time know squirters and the fans of squirting are shamed and ridiculed (as Ellen aptly shows with her rude fake news comment) for it on the boards and I think sexuality should be celebrated and enjoyed not shamed and scorned. your statement that I can not teach women to squirt was fueling the fire of the squirt shamers and giving them another platform to ridicule those of us who enjoy it. there is no need to make blanket statements denying the existence of a pleasurable form of sexuality coaching and pleasure that I enjoy and provide. there is room for everyone here and no one deserves mockery and scorn for their interests and joys.

[Austin Ellen]

Facts matter. If you have a full bladder then you can squirt. Well, you are really peeing but call it what you want if it makes you happy. Sue, I'll give you a $1000.00 cash if you can give me just one board certified physician that will support your point of view. That's all - just give me one.

[mathguy]

Clearly at no point did I ever say ALL women and you said the blanket statement ( implying all) that squirting can not be taught. it can.

Sue, not to argue with you but I have to disagree. Look at my statement again regarding teaching women about these orgasms. For reference here is the part of the quote you are referring to:

No, women cannot be taught how to do it if they lack these glands or the nerve network.

If you read this with an unemotional eye then you will see that my statement was not at all absolute, it was totally conditional and open to qualification. The inference here, and condition, is that if the female has the proper nerve tissue, clitoral nerve network, and/or some mixture of these Skene's glands then she may be able to achieve it (i.e. be taught, if she had never achieved one or known how to experience it).

I've been with women who've never experienced it. Women can go many, many years into life without ever knowing they could orgasm like that. I completely agree with you about that. I really do. That's not lip service. I agree with you b/c I too *know* what you mean. I do. But I believe it has limits from a scientific and anatomical perspective.

In my opinion the more absolute and incorrect blanket style statement is to say that all women can be taught to do it. Maybe you didn't say that. You said you've taught hundreds. I do believe though you have said that before though. I could be wrong but I seem to recall it. At any rate, I'm not saying women can't be taught or can't learn to achieve one. I'm saying not all women can from an objective unbiased and scientific vantage. There is nothing wrong with that. It's not a bad thing.

there is room for everyone here and no one deserves mockery and scorn for their interests and joys.

I wholeheartedly agree with you here. Again, that was not at all my aim. I believe I am one of the fairest and most unbiased friendly people on these boards. I do my best to not insult and to give everyone their fair shot at their point of view without "mocking" them. Having said that, to be fair, do I on occasion play around, act goofy, make a possibly snide remark if I'm insulted (for example)? Well, sure. I'd be a hypocrite to suggest otherwise.

Look, I don't like certain things. Certain things disgust me. As certain things surely disgust you. But I do my very best outside of a playful in jest comment to be fair and not offend, disparage, or demean someone's choice of lifestyle. If something truly disgusts me and I can't say anything in a teasing or witty repartee style then you will likely not hear from me (unless you have seriously irritated me).

Anyway, my point here is that, no I'm not into any type of "toilet activities". That's just *my* personal choice. For me it's something I simply can't deal with (that's the nicest way I can say that). However, again, I have no issue whatsoever with "wet sex" in so far as it relates to to two people getting hot, having full on sweaty, unadulterated, nasty sex, or women having mind blowing orgasms that result in the release of fluids (particularly where it's quite clean smelling). I don't mind kissing a woman passionately, and very deeply, after her juices are on my mouth, or my dick was in her mouth, or even had I cum in her mouth (so long as she either A) swallowed it well or B) spit it out or just grabbed a quick swig from the water bottle on the dresser).

I'm not trying to shame anyone. Not at all. Nor do I want anyone to feel less than. Some people can dunk a basketball b/c they can jump 45" or they are 6'7+. I'm ~6'2/6'3 and I could never dunk a basketball, I got close, I could grab the rim or drop a smaller ball in, but never a true power dunk. I loved basketball. Do you think I felt any less or couldn't play well and, most importantly, have extreme fun because I didn't quite have the full 30" vertical leap needed for someone my height? Not at all. It's not a bad thing. It's just a thing. There are a ton of ways to skin a cat. IJS.

-MG.

[ThatSpot]

Pee or not I love it lol. My ex was a mega squirter, like change the sheets and have a mattress protector or lay down a lot of towels squirter. She could do it even after she just pee'd (we were curious ourselves so we tested the pee theory lol). Sure doesnt smell like pee either but was thin like pee. Either way having her on top and doing it or when we'd do k9 and she'd tell not to move or she'd make a mess, was always fun times.

Im not here to debate. Pee or not, squirt away ladies!

[chuckles]

Skene's Gland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skene%27s_gland

[mathguy]

Thanks for the link Chuck. It will be useful for many who wish to read more about it but I'm going to caution that this particular Wikipedia entry is not quite the best resource. I'm a little unhappy with the absolute and authoritative tone of the article; especially given the inconclusive nature of these structures.

It's not a bad article, but I'd caution that you also look at a few other resources, check the footnote links, read those articles, and so on. Thanks again for your input!

-MG

[Austin Ellen]

I think I'm in love with you! I don't want to discourage anyone who wants to squirt but facts are facts. I've asked my gynecologist about this and she said - no, that's urine. What people don't realize is this can be damaging to women. What you see on porn videos with women gushing copious amount of liquid is just not realistic. And women have looked at these videos and said to themselves "why can't I do it like them" Which then in turn effects their self esteem in that they don't feel "good enough" That's why I call B.S. on this.
Ladies, just ask your gynecologist "what is squirting" --they will give you the same answer that Mathguy posted. I remember folks saying you can't get pregnant after you just have a baby - well. we all know that's been proven not true. This is the same thing.

Thanks for the link Chuck. It will be useful for many who wish to read more about it but I'm going to caution that this particular Wikipedia entry is not quite the best resource. I'm a little unhappy with the absolute and authoritative tone of the article; especially given the inconclusive nature of these structures.








It's not a bad article, but I'd caution that you also look at a few other resources, check the footnote links, read those articles, and so on. Thanks again for your input!

-MG

[mathguy]

I think I'm in love with you! I don't want to discourage anyone who wants to squirt but facts are facts. I've asked my gynecologist about this and she said - no, that's urine. What people don't realize is this can be damaging to women. What you see on porn videos with women gushing copious amount of liquid is just not realistic. And women have looked at these videos and said to themselves "why can't I do it like them" Which then in turn effects their self esteem in that they don't feel "good enough" That's why I call B.S. on this.
Ladies, just ask your gynecologist "what is squirting" --they will give you the same answer that Mathguy posted

Thanks again Ellen sweetie. Glad you enjoy I believe as you do that it can cause harm to women. In large part it's due to porn as you stated above. I don't want to disparage anyone's lifestyle choice either but I do believe exactly as you do regarding the self esteem issues. And, "squirting" is such a horrible name for this phenomenon b/c the real thing is a lot more like "leaking". If it does fly around it's mostly b/c the girl is forcing it out the pee-hole, or it's due to the fast action of flicking fingers, vibrator, etc... causing the small bit coming out to splash around. Anyway. The extremely copious volumes of liquid you mention is dead on accurate. Not at all dissimilar to the crazy bukakke videos where a woman gets showered with a half gallon of "jizz" (which is obviously made of some sort of milk/cream/water mixture and shot out through a tube hidden in the gigantic fake dong).

[MarkWatney]

Interesting discussion. You would hope that no one would have self-esteem problems because of whether or how much they can squirt, anymore than they would over how well hung or stacked they are, but it's bound to happen. Some people are hard-wired to provoke insecurity in others for their own entertainment, sad but true.

I got a kick out of the Wikipedia article on female ejaculation that this question has actually been a legal issue. Seems that British obscenity laws prevent the depiction of urination, so pornography that includes squirting has been censored. I can imagine a couple of dour old solicitors and magistrates in powdered wigs debating this issue before the public. Oh to be a fly on the wall.

[Mdasterdly]

Squirting is fake. Its piss.
Now the allusive female orgasm. Now that too may be fake? Kinda like bigfoot!

[ThatSpot]

I'm genuinely curious how it can be harmful? Like mentally harmful or physically? Also I dont know if the "its fake" is tongue in cheek but I strongly disagree. My ex of 12 years believed I hated it for a good 5 years and would often hold it back or push me off to prevent it. Hence my previous post when she'd tell me to not move or she would soak down the bed. Now she wouldnt spray me like on porn videos, I'm pretty sure that's fake lol.

[MarkWatney]

I'm genuinely curious how it can be harmful? Like mentally harmful or physically? Also I dont know if the "its fake" is tongue in cheek but I strongly disagree. My ex of 12 years believed I hated it for a good 5 years and would often hold it back or push me off to prevent it. Hence my previous post when she'd tell me to not move or she would soak down the bed. Now she wouldnt spray me like on porn videos, I'm pretty sure that's fake lol.

Reminds me of the movie Dead Again, where Emma Thompson and Kenneth Branagh are getting frisky on the sofa. Emma says, "I'm drenched, we'll ruin this couch," and Kenneth replies, "I'll buy another one."

[mathguy]

Squirting is fake. Its piss.
Now the allusive female orgasm. Now that too may be fake? Kinda like bigfoot!

I'm genuinely curious how it can be harmful? Like mentally harmful or physically? Also I dont know if the "its fake" is tongue in cheek but I strongly disagree. My ex of 12 years believed I hated it for a good 5 years and would often hold it back or push me off to prevent it. Hence my previous post when she'd tell me to not move or she would soak down the bed. Now she wouldnt spray me like on porn videos, I'm pretty sure that's fake lol.

I too don't know exactly what Mdasterdaly meant by "squirting is fake" (i.e. was it a joke? said mockingly?). No one is saying squirting is "fake". No, peeing on someone is very "real". Or even it if weren't pee. Pee or not makes it no less or more real. Again, though, the most "fake" part of the word squirting is that a real orgasm like that, when it does happen, doesn't truly squirt and it's more like "leaking" (even if quite a lot). ThatSpot basically indicates as much even though he has general disagreement over the urine contents argument and also says his ex had very copious amounts. I don't disagree that's possible. I've seen a lot. I do disagree about the chemical content.

Just an aside, I think, Mdast, you meant to say the elusive female orgasm? I'm fucking with you bro. I know what you meant just poking fun.

But in all seriousness I'm certainly not saying anything is "fake". Pee is real. G-spot orgasms are also real. One hundred percent no doubt. I've seen small amounts, medium, and fairly substantial volumes. Whether there is pee in it, if it's mixed with a variety of vaginal flora, maybe some Skene secretions, or not, makes it no less real. What is *not* real is the shooting and spraying all over the place.

About the harm that you asked about ThatSpot, what Ellen and myself alluded to earlier.... see what I did there? Hehehe. Jk. Elude vs Allude (see above). Playing. I'm a super lexophile

Anyway, what we were talking about is that it's potentially psychologically harmful that women see this in films and wonder why they can't do it, they may feel ashamed, less than a real woman, etc... It's similar to how men grow up thinking the average penis is 8.5-9in long (or more! hahaha). Believe it or not most men when asked in sexual studies say somewhere around 8-9in is the average. Sometimes even 10! Hahahaha! It used to be 10in. It did. It's gone down in recent years and later studies b/c men are less moronic now and generally more educated about sex (wow, I wonder why? lol). Most women, say.......... drum roll...... no surprise here.... 4.5 to 6.5 inches. Wow. Who'd have thunk it?

Granted you all are a different crowd. Just like if you went to various other male related sites (PEgym comes to mind - penis enhancement site). I've talked about this before. Most of you all are not "average joe" men. Okay, let me qualify that, yes, normal is normal, and many of you are normal, but there is much more tendency here to either be on the small side or the big side. However, most guys out in RL land think this about penis size. Do you have any idea how laughably silly it is - many of you do. That is, the idea that if you don't have an 8.5-9+ inch cock you are not a real man, or even an average man? LMFAO. Hahahaha. That is a SUPER ELITE crowd which any woman here will attest to. Though, again, as I've said before, just like you are not all average joe guys, these girls here, as a result, don't see a true even distribution of "average" so it's probably a bit skewed. I'd go out on a limb and say that nearly 100% of the girls here will agree with me just with their anecdotal based hobby evidence. That fact, because of how skewed the hobby and porn world is only makes what I said above about penis size EVEN more absurd! I'm not saying everyone here is big or tiny. But the tendency is going to be that men here, or places like PEgym, are either, on the average, larger than norm, or a decent to a bit smaller than norm. That should come as no surprise either. Having said that, it doesn't mean that there aren't still plenty of "average joes" here too. I've said this before in lengthy statistical posts. However, even those average joe guys among this crowd are all more educated about what "normal" is b/c they talk to their half-hour/hour girlfriends and find out. But, if you went out into RL, talked to most men who don't do anything but watch porn, or they are not sexually educated, or they don't talk to many women, or certainly not in the sexual realm, etc... most will tell you the average is some absurd 8-9in (or they will privately think it, even if they won't admit it).

So, to get back on topic do you see the corollary? Same deal for girls who listen to all this talk of massive squirters, see the porn stuff, etc... and wonder "what the fuck?". Are most girls able to do that? Why can't I? Am I normal? Am I "average"? Am I not sexual? Am I not a real woman with unadulterated sexuality and the ability to seduce and totally rock a mans world the way these magic squirting women can?

This would affect younger women more than older women. Again, no surprise there. Just like a 40yr old man with lots of sexual experience is not going to have the warped idea that most men have a 9in dick. He knows they don't. He has had many partners. He has much more life experience and education. He is much wiser. Just like most/many of the more mature women. But the younger crowd, or just extremely sheltered and shy, with very little experience, or sexual education, even if they are older, could be hurt by this notion.

That was the point about the potential for psychological harm.

And the EXTREME irony in both of these situations?
1. The guys in porn that cause all this absurd notion among uneducated/inexperienced men about an "average" 9in penis, or 6in+ around, etc.... are nowhere fucking close in 95%+ of the cases. Nowhere even remotely close in almost all cases.
2. The girls doing this amazing "squirting" (shooting stuff all over) which drives some of these men wild? They are just pissing on the men.

So in both cases you have all been lied to and/or tricked (men and women). C'est la vie. :/

-MG

[ThatSpot]

MG I guess I dont really disagree it could be urine. Just in my experience over the years with my wife it sure didnt smell like pee. Anything's possible, I'm not expert in this area. My ex didn't really squirt, as you've mentioned. It was more like leaking heavily. But it was definitely a good amount of fluid. One thing that made me think it's not urine was that is was viscous and seemed to be a lubricant and it only happened when she orgasmed heavily. Once it happened I generally couldnt penetrate her anymore, luckily she liked anal lol. However I never had her straight pee on me to compare the two secretions lol. I will say my ex was an extremely sexual woman so I dont think my experience is the norm. I was extremely lucky as a married man in the sex department.