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Decrim simply removes police interactions & criminal penalties.
Meanwhile, legalization still has instances of police interaction due to regulations,
licenses, zoning, processes, etc. and is not ideal for survival and low income sex workers.
https://i.ibb.co/qj5ysqd/decrim-v-legal-DECRIMNOWDC.jpg
Labor Laws, Not Criminal Laws
Legalization is more probable to provide protections in law and more likely to occur than decriminalization. Simply because legalization is more profitable and more politically justifiable than mere decriminalization. In my opinion.
The government should classify us as the porn industry and be done with the BS. We get a business license and everyone is happy.
And how would that improve the current situation? Even porn has advertising restrictions and implicit associations like alcohol, tabacco and gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Like Phoenixx, I prefer simple decriminalization to licensing. And rather than the porn industry, how about entertainment or counseling services?
We should give sex workers what THEY want, and fuck government and what’s in it for them. I thought that this woman stated it nicely.
https://youtu.be/VJRBx0JjM_M
I concur. However, I suggest that the government's objective is to generate revenue not necessarily to reduce crime, make sex work safer or empower sex workers. I concur because metadata analysis consistently finds that decriminalization produces the best outcomes with the least undesirable consequences in a cost effective manner.
I agree with Phoenixx. Decriminalization is far better for the sex worker and for *all* parties currently engaged in the various revenue generating aspects of the sex work profession.
Wes, when you say it's more profitable legally surely you mean only for the govt? There is no possible way it's more lucrative for anyone in the sex work profession (be it indie providers, man/woman, managers, or site operators).
Decriminalization is the best route. We don't want ridiculous oversight, taxation, all these zoning/ordinance laws, policies, process laws, etc... All these things will put money in the govts pocket and take it out of all the people involved in sex work (again, at *every* level of the sex work pyramid or chain).
Edit: One other thing I'll mention, and why I've said not to worry about new laws against it, such as the recent thread that came up, is b/c though it's not technically decriminalized yet it is all but a defacto standard that it actually *is* virtually decriminalized for communities like these.
Decriminalization producest the best sociatal outcomes in the long run in the most cost efficient manner...In my opinion. This permits governmental entities to focus their limited resources on criminal and other anti- social activities that should enjoy a higher law enforcement priority. In this way, independent contractors can operate with low start-up costs with minimal recurring expenses.
Legalization increases operating expenses especially for independent contractors not part of a legal brothel. While legalization may be profitable for governmental entities and the supporting infrastructure (brothels, security, medical, financial, advertising, etc.), but the independent contractor may incur higher operating expenses and still face criminal and civil penalties for non-compliance. Protections in law that come with legalization may not constitute a significant advantage unless a sex workers real world identity is protected.
Hence, legalization of sex work is profitable but more so for regulatory agencies, brothels and lobbyists that influence legislators to implement laws favorable to the business operations of industry leaders and major stakeholders at the expense of independent contractors.
Those providers that manage their hobby activities as a business may have already forcasted and devised contingency plans they may now consider a trade secret and competitive advantage.
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Originally Posted by Westley
ya, we get it
Legalization benefits the gov while decrim empowers the prostitutes
you’re like repeating yourself... lawd
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Originally Posted by Westley
that was Uni’s way of saying, ”Ya. We know, but thanks anyways.”
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Originally Posted by Universal
muah
Mortal Combat
Finish Him !!
R.I.P. Wes:rulez::guilotine:
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Originally Posted by Universal
LOL
you terrible x
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Originally Posted by Phoenixx
Rules were made to be broken and in the "business" world broken rules are nothing but exceptions to policy. Yes in deed, you two Pitney are terrible alright...starting to sound (crazy) like one of my ex-wives. I should know. Driving women crazy.....that's my super power. Yup! I still got it after all these years. Y"all probably just want me for my superlative domestic skills though. Just so you know..."la petite mort" is legal in my world but largely unregulated. So prepare yourselves. Challenge accepted....mortal combat it is. Right after breakfast!
I told you soQuote:
Originally Posted by Westley
https://home.ourhome2.net/vb/showthr...362#post471362
Legalize it, license it, zone it, tax it. Like porn actors, escorts are paid performers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Thank you ! Yes and unfortunately sex workers are some of the "forgotten ones" during these hard times !Quote:
Originally Posted by Poppa_Viagra
One of these days, it will be legal. But unfortunately for an old fucker like me, I won't see it.
But on the other hand, I never thought weed would be legal either. States are jumping on that tax cash.
Same with gambling. I remember when it was only legal in Nevada and N.J., now the casino's are everywhere.
So, about the time my old wrinkled pecker will never see a boner again is probably when they will legalize pussy.
Weirdly enough, porn is sex for money, and it is somehow legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poppa_Viagra
If I were to pay a girl for sex here in Dallas, that is stupidly a crime.
If they decriminalize prost. the divorce courts will have 1,000's of lines wrapped around the building the very next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixx
How will people be able to add prostitution tax write offs during tax season when it's time to file? They will be in hot water with their spouse.
And some farmers are already setting up shop growing weed in Texas where it is still illegal. The state is just allowing their buddies to set up shop first.
I think your missing the point here (unless I'm mistaken by your comments?).Quote:
Originally Posted by suckaforlove
Decriminalization is not the same thing as legalization. But furthermore there is absolutely nothing stopping a sex worker from filing taxes even now. The person engaging in the hobby for fun (i.e. paying) can't use tax write offs anyway. Even were it legalized you couldn't unless the tax code provided new provisions for writing off money spent in those ways (they would never do this btw).
People who run various businesses in sex work, whether hobby site operators, hobby providers, pornography business (OFs, pornhub, indy couples, online sex biz partners....), strip clubs, and so on can all still file taxes. There is no reason they can't. They can do that now. The IRS is not LE. That being said if you became the 'Al Capone' of some sex industry work could a federal agency "use" tax filings against you or your biz partner to prove something? Possibly. Extraordinarily unlikely though.
You would have to get an extraordinary level that such agencies were alerted to your presence and the activity was considered socially harmful and as nefarious as something like the IRS Al Capone scenario (or other large more modern illicit activities organizations for example - i.e. cartels). Other than though you don't even have to hide it. You could write sex promoter, sex worker, adult site operator, etc directly in the tax return, not even trying to hide it, and you'd be fine. Granted most won't do that. They will say they are "consultants", "dating site operator", "masseuse", "therapeutic consultant"......