Unprofessional!!!!!

I pride myself on being punctual and cordial in this hobby. I mean it is a business and should be treated as such. I understand that things come up and as long as that is communicated, there is no issue. But, that is rarely the case. Nothing like getting ghosted at the last moment. We should all try our best to make these "interactions" go as smoothly as possible because we all have a lot to lose and this "hobby" is dangerous enough without having to be frustrated for reasons within the counterparts control. Let's all just do our part or just don't participate. Our time is precious and really the only thing we can not get back! Thanks for reading my little vent and Happy Holidays fawkers!

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I pride myself on being punctual and cordial in this hobby. I mean it is a business and should be treated as such. I understand that things come up and as long as that is communicated, there is no issue. But, that is rarely the case. Nothing like getting ghosted at the last moment. We should all try our best to make these "interactions" go as smoothly as possible because we all have a lot to lose and this "hobby" is dangerous enough without having to be frustrated for reasons within the counterparts control. Let's all just do our part or just don't participate. Our time is precious and really the only thing we can not get back! Thanks for reading my little vent and Happy Holidays fawkers!

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Who was the GHOST? Send me a PM ...if you don't wish to state publicly I understand due to WK's!
Thanks for posting in a very professional factual and civil manner.

Sorry that happened to you

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Who was the GHOST? Send me a PM ...if you don't wish to state publicly I understand due to WK's!
Thanks for posting in a very professional factual and civil manner.

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Exactly what he said!!! ^^^

I’m about to say something that some won’t like.

One reason some ladies are in this business is that they aren’t good at holding done a traditional job. That translates to being really shitty at TCB, even if they are hot in bed. There are a lot of reasons for this, some mentionable. Some not.

However, one of the main advantages of participating here is so you can find out which ladies DO handle their TCB well.

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I’m about to say something that some won’t like.

One reason some ladies are in this business is that they aren’t good at holding done a traditional job. That translates to being really shitty at TCB, even if they are hot in bed. There are a lot of reasons for this, some mentionable. Some not.

However, one of the main advantages of participating here is so you can find out which ladies DO handle their TCB well.

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mmmm... �� i disagree. the facts are 81% of the reasons for woman/men, in the escort business is “easy money”. you don’t see that ?
majority have real jobs. i could go on..
but anyways... some of these girls give us well-known providers a bad name.

I said some. Not all. Not even most. And the ladies that have it together to post on these sites are more likely responsible. But if you take the group as a whole, plenty of providers do this because the don’t like keeping a regular schedule.

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Originally Posted by Vanessa

I’m about to say something that some won’t like.

One reason some ladies are in this business is that they aren’t good at holding done a traditional job. That translates to being really shitty at TCB, even if they are hot in bed. There are a lot of reasons for this, some mentionable. Some not.

However, one of the main advantages of participating here is so you can find out which ladies DO handle their TCB well.

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Nice almost point. But ladies are not in this industry bc they cant hold down a regular job.!!! Thats the silliest shit ive ever heard. Lmao lets see Nasa money compared to 10 bucks an hour. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .aaaahhhh
This was her attempt at saying she wont stand you up. Could have just said that. Instead of making completly bogus reaponse.. Aint NO ONE selling their pussy bc they arent good at keeping a regular job lmao they're selling it bc its way more money involved. Than pushing a pen or flipping burgers. The 2 do not even compare. Why are you here "providing"??? Are you not good at keeping a regular job?? Ive worked for the man and have had a business durring my time in this industry. You dont have to attempt to down other ladies or make enormous assumtions to be seen by these men. Simply say hello.

Do I think the large majority of ladies here are professionals? YES! Do I think YOU are? Yes. Do I feel the need to personally insult you when you disagree? NO. I don't have a problem with you, TR, and I don't think I made any statements that were directed at anyone in particular and don't really understand the stab at me. I am sorry I offended you. It's not my intention. I was speaking from decades of personal experience.

So you are telling me that NO ladies are in this business because they don't like keeping a regular schedule? Come on now! That is the BEST thing about this business! LOL - for me at least. I didn't say whether they like the money or not as well. If it isn't because the have shitty TCB and work ethic, why DO these ladies ghost? I know a handful may do it for last minute safety reasons, but the chronic ghosters? And what job would they have that let them just not show up with no repercussions?

I can name 10 girls in this business I am good friends with who are horrible at keeping a regular schedule and despise getting up early and answering to anyone. ALL of them have had jobs that pay at least as much as escorting. Most of them don't post here, partially because they if they do, they never come back and check for responses. LOL.

Y'all act like I made a blanket statement about all of us. I did not. I said some. That could be 10%, I don't know. But they are out there. Otherwise why are some of these girls ghosting, claiming their phones died, got stopped by the cops, or just not answering? It can't always be because they took a better appointment. One of my girlfriends regularly gets drunk during the day and blows off appointments at night. It happens. That's just shitty TCB and has nothing to do with money.

Like many ladies, I can make more money doing other things, but do chose to do this because I like to sleep in late. But I don't ghost people.

I think that some people who think money is the only reason that ladies are in this business because of the money or no better options are really underestimating the ladies. I think the majority of the ladies here can get a job and make good money, but this lifestyle is more suitable (whether for family reasons or purely enjoyment).

Actually I have to agree with Vanessa. Even if I catch heat for it I do believe she's correct. Please don't take it as an insult though. I don't think she meant it that way and I definitely don't. It's not a bad thing, it's just a thing, just the way it is.

What many don't realize is that many girls don't really make that much money when it's all said and done.

Everyone thinks, on the surface, this is the rough equivalent of some union type job any female can get but it pays like a law office partner or high level computer/engineering executive or doctor at $100 to $300 per hour.

The issue is there are many costs that you have to bear in mind even if you could stay that busy.

Women have to pay for incall rent or hotels, incall utils (water, gas, electric), hobby phone/service, any travel expenses like all the gas from driving around, etc...

They have to stay healthy and in shape. Gym membership, pedicures, manicures, etc....

In addition, every woman has ~5 days per month (avg: +/- 2 days) due to umm "plumbing" issues...hehe :tongue: So there's a full work week (+/-) gone in each month.

The slightest sickness, even a tiny cough, small yeast infection, etc.... means no work. Anything worse means even less work for longer. That's not typical for regular jobs or you would be fired (in the hobby you just get no clients, or you are seen as a risky girl and you have to take $50 for notel quickies to guys who don't care).

Many of the women are not lining up sessions left and right. They are struggling to get guys booked.

Not *all* women. No. Some have regulars, some are very popular and very good (which is also due partly to the TCB Vanessa mentioned).

However, many are also struggling to get appointments. Many times they are dropping their prices just to get the session locked. There goes the $200/hr every hour fantasy. The problem with the thinking about the $200/hr, or even $150/hr, is that you are imagining it (especially guys) at 5-8+hrs a day, evert day, like a normal job and going, "wow, bank!".

Ummm.... WRONG. Now look, just like Vanessa said there are exceptions. Yes, some women are in high demand, can demand a high premium, and they stay busy.

These women, many of them I know, OR I know enough, to know they are highly educated, highly organized (TCB again), are quite attractive and/or very clean (meaning clean in the traditional senses but also nothing major in the *forbidden topic* area). All of that also means they are able to handle their finances at a very high level.

I'm telling you, especially the dudes, not all the girls are just rolling in massive rolls of hundreds and twenties smiling to the bank every night to drop their virtual wagon of money in the drop box. Uh uh. Not even close.

You are misguided if you think that. How do I know? I know from first hand RW friends in this business. Some (not all) of whom are struggling. Some of them are well known too. Extremely good at sex. Some of the very best top notch service and they can't pay their rent or mortgage or they are struggling to maintain. I know this for a fact. It's also no secret that many girls are complaining about their incomes in recent months and the past year. I tried to warn about the "sky is falling nonsense". It created a self fulfilling prophecy for both the providers and the hobbyists. It will pass but it did its damage. I tried & tried to warn people against that perspective but many didn't want to listen. See what happened? Again, it will pass, it will, but it caused a dent. *shrug*

Anyway, what Vanessa was saying is that many women who can go out and get a job paying $20-$30/hr full-time, plus benefits, insurance, etc... would easily make what they are making "now". That kicks the crap out of what many girls make when all is said and done. Not all girls, no. However, the truth is many do not clear that salary I mentioned above. Especially when you throw in the insurance + company benefits and so on. No way.

So, back to the point. Why do this then? Choice. Do what you want. No "boss". You can sleep until noon or 2pm. You can do what you want. And all you gotta do is fuck people. Hell yeah. However, to really rake in the cash you need to be on your game. Bottom line people? There is no free ride to clearing a six-figure plus salary. It doesn't exist. You are going to put in the work one way or the other. OR get very lucky. That happens. End of story.

You see, the ones who can't get at least the $20-$30/hr (or more) job + benes might be going, "yea but McDonalds or Walmart pay nowhere near that for a cashier", yes, true. Therein lies the issue. That's the point. Those who can only be a cashier somewhere probably can't run a successful functioning $80K-$150K+ plus revenue business and maintain it without serious issues.

Just because it's pussy doesn't make it a no brainier. Everyone needs toilet paper too. Everyone needs a phone. Everyone needs lots of things. Do you think knowing that means we can magically go monopolize and monetize on that necessity? No. We can't. Some can and will. Far more will fail or will an "ok" living or will make just enough to survive.

Now, is it better than having someone boss you around all day if you can only make $12/hr and want to make your own schedule? Sure, for many it will be.

I think that's the heart of what Vanessa was really pointing out. There are no free lunches. You want money? You are going to put in the work OR have a good brain that can figure out how to get it OR get others to work for you. Period.

The ladies have gym memberships? Are you sure?!?

Well put MathGuy... well said. All the girls I know in this biz with the exception of one have at least two degrees. The sad fact is, single women with kids have a hard time making it in today’s economy. I’m one of them, for sure. I do this because I love it, but at the end of the day it is about the money. Even with the dollars we bring in (which is great- I am not complaining), we do have expenses and upkeep that you guys may not expect. Hair, nails, waxing, lashes, wardrobe, lease payment or payouts- remember some of us are not independent contractors. In leu of getting a room or using our homes we work out of a studio, and that studio keeps a percentage of our donation. Perfect scenario- if you’re getting tips. But sadly, so many hobbyists don’t tip. Doctors visits, clinic tests- it all adds up. This biz is expensive for us ladies too. ❤️ But obviously we love you guys or we wouldn’t be here. ��

+1 Samantha

And WELCOME!

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Well put MathGuy... well said.

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Ty Samantha. Glad you liked it. I would also like to point out that my post is really a reworded version (+ additional points) of essentially what Vanessa said earlier.

Yes there are so many costs. As you mentioned, health clinic, health screens that are vital, lots of driving (not just gas but it means more wear & tear & upkeep), paying incalls/hotels, bills, going to the gym, spa treatments (manis, pedis....), monthly "lady downtime", pre & post appt cleanup, scheduling back/forth talking, and on and on.

Many women simply don't book as many appts as people think (or drop prices for some guy to get him to commit - many times this is in ADDITION to an already lowered RS ad too :/ ).

It's tough. Trust me ladies I really do know what you mean and how you feel (those who don't personally know me).

Guys will prolly get mad at me b/c they think I'm somehow helping a cause to raise prices. The entire conspiracy theory around price fixing (whether guys or girls) is complete horseshit. Lol. :rolleyes:

I simply know how misinformed many of the guys are. They believe you ladies make $100k+ as if it's a foregone conclusion like clockwork. Even $200k and $250k. It's insane. Only the absolute elite of the elite courtesans make anywhere even close to those figures people. I have friends that struggle to pay their own bills. And they are good & decent providers (on all levels). The lesser educated, younger, inexperienced, or with *forbidden topic* issues, and so on are in dire straits much of the time. :sad:

What women need, and the men who hobby too, is something entirely different. Entirely. I mean a complete paradigm shift. That's what needs to happen. :twothumbs: Yup :smile: :thumb:

Good luck and welcome to the community Samantha! :hug: :kiss: Send me a PM if you need any advice or help.

It is unprofessional, and honestly I have never done that to anyone..

Everyone's time is important!!

Now has it been done to me, um yes plenty of times..