Ruminating about "Mandles"

[Krystal_RoseBBW]

Hello my name is KilleenInformer2 and I swear I am not here to derail your thread.

My problem with mandles is that it provides a freezing effect on guys willingness to speak about their experiences. In fact unchecked mandles and women having access to men's areas rapidly leads to a situation where almost no one is willing to speak out if someone does anything short of actual robbery and we end up mostly with incredibly beta men who have nothing to fear as they lavish praise in the hopes of a discount. Not very useful as a resource.

The average casual user isn't willing to say much because they're not willing to put up with it. For instance every time I have said anything serious about a girl in private (NCNS, attempted bait and switch, misleading photos) I end up with either hours or days of texts, several calls a minute, threats, and sometimes even an alert followed by a string of PMs going "She's full of it. Take me instead." Not. Fun.

You say as a provider you would want to have a mandle and on the surface that sounds reasonable since forewarned is forearmed and all that. In that same sense I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall of the powder room. That said if I had the opportunity to do so I would decline and likely turn in whoever offered it for a simple reason: it hurts the hobby long term a lot more than any short term gains.

If guys can speak freely in private they're more likely to hang out here. If they're hanging out here they're more likely to look at who is in the ad sections. From there we all pretty much know what comes next. Now, if they know every time they speak up about something they're going to get a ration of nonsense they will be far less likely to hang around. If they know that they are less likely to speak up they are far less likely to believe what they do hear from other guys. So dudes end up spending less time here and spending less... well... money.

It also doesn't help that the type of girls to go to the trouble of getting access to the men's areas are not the most stable of individuals. They are largely incapable of keeping it under wraps. Hence all the meltdowns.

The fact that everyone knows the locker room is compromised is the biggest case of the girls shooting themselves in the foot in hobby history.

Also I don't think you're necessarily advocating for the demise of private areas but it's a moot point as they are pretty much already gone for men anyway. A shame as the presence of a supposedly private space for men to talk on Eccie definitely encouraged me to spend my money more freely. That's part of why I advocate so strongly for it to be enforced here.

Holy Hell.......you expressed my exact thoughts on this subject. Like.....nearly word for word.

Wait.....are you MY mandle and I didn't realize I had one? :-P J/K

Multiple handles is a serious matter and any member that has hard proof of someone with multiple handles, it is your responsibility to report it.
HOWEVER....
Without that hard proof, making accusations based on hunches or rumors will not be tolerated on this board.

[killeeninformer2]

Wait.....are you MY mandle and I didn't realize I had one? :-P J/K

Don't be ridiculous, of course I'm not. I am, in fact, your long lost twin separated at birth so efficiently that I came from a different mother and potentially in a different year. There's always a decent explanation!

Honestly I would love if reporting things to mods worked. But I have reported said screaming harassment from girls over something I said in the locker room (including threats of outing) and nothing happened. I had a provider step up and tell me via PM that someone specific was leaking locker room info to her about me and I reported it... and nothing happened. I reported the coed post where this same person was putting out a girl's private info and while THAT got taken down it took a week to do it. My faith in any kind of impartial moderation here is completely gone.

[Krystal_RoseBBW]

I can understand and sympathize with your loss of faith.

But please understand that staff has been extremely short handed as of late. Wheels are now in motion to change that.

More volunteer Guides are coming on board soon. There is so very much to learn about the 'behind the scenes' here that it takes some time and patience.

While there are many aspects and issues that I have no power to help with, I am hoping that I am able to lighten the load with the smaller issues (spammed ads, calming/closing threads, editing accidental content, etc.), that the larger issues that you mention can more readily be handled by those that have more authority than we lower level volunteers.

[killeeninformer2]

I can understand and sympathize with your loss of faith.

But please understand that staff has been extremely short handed as of late. Wheels are now in motion to change that.

More volunteer Guides are coming on board soon. There is so very much to learn about the 'behind the scenes' here that it takes some time and patience.

While there are many aspects and issues that I have no power to help with, I am hoping that I am able to lighten the load with the smaller issues (spammed ads, calming/closing threads, editing accidental content, etc.), that the larger issues that you mention can more readily be handled by those that have more authority than we lower level volunteers.

The most egregious example here had active involvement by a high level moderator. It was not a matter of involvement. It was an unwillingness to punish an offender who was actively making threats. The result, funnily enough, was when I asked the mod why they would not simply do SOMETHING about screaming threats of outing I got a cone of silence for the mod. I didn't even ask them to believe me that the person had been using locker room info (easy enough to see but what ever) but actual threats of outing got me punished while the person who did it is still around.

That's not something that happens because you are short handed.

So I won't get it twisted: this is a private site. They can run it however they like and considering the heads I've butted while addressing these issues the fact that I'm still here shows that no one on the moderation team is actually out to get me or nonsense like that. But it is very frustrating to have a so many hobby "no"s openly committed on one side and nothing gets done, and then get berated for bringing it up. It's frustrating because with even handed moderation with a little bit of teeth when necessary it would be a much healthier community. And as I said earlier it would not just be healthier for the guys but the women as well. Being able to speak freely has guys visit the site more often, visiting more often has us view the ads more.

[redmoney]

I don't care about guys leaking info from men only areas. I do feel that mandles are an abuse and deserve the users accounts to be deleted(Male and female). It all comes down to how moderators handle the situation.
I had a situation on another site that led to a moderator being banned for misuse of power.
There should always be required evidence before any decision is made, but punishment should be swift and public.

[Lovinglifeinaustin]

I don't care about guys leaking info from men only areas. I do feel that mandles are an abuse and deserve the users accounts to be deleted(Male and female). It all comes down to how moderators handle the situation.
I had a situation on another site that led to a moderator being banned for misuse of power.
There should always be required evidence before any decision is made, but punishment should be swift and public.

Red, your opinions seem a little contradictory to me. If you don’t care about guys leaking info, why would you care about mandles?

Most of us here are cheating on our spouses and SOs. Why should we expect everyone to not cheat here?

As for moderation, I think we’ve all seen how crappy moderation has impacted eccie, and how decent moderation has benefited O2.

[CubanAva]

I honestly have 0 interest in knowing what anyone has to say about me. I already know the negatives are from people I would never allow in my presence, so why would the opinions of non potential clients be of any interest to me? *Yawn*
On top of that, I'd like to still view men as human beings, I have a feeling the locker room would make that rather difficult.

[dodger]

On top of that

... when I look at Ava's avatar ... these are the very words that cross my mind

I'd like to still view men as human beings,

Leo Bloom: You can't do that, Max. Actors are people, too.

Max Bialystock: oh, yeah? you ever eat with one?

[3daygetaway]

I'd like to still view men as human beings, I have a feeling the locker room would make that rather difficult.

It’s not THAT bad in there. We mostly ask about girls with no-review policies or brand-new girls without reputations. We bitch about value but rarely about individuals. Often it’s an out-of-towner looking for a recommendation. And there’s even a list of providers who kiss on the first date. There’s always at least a couple of guys getting sideways with one another, but mostly it’s a kind and encouraging space where women are spoken of with respect

[Lovinglifeinaustin]

?..but mostly it’s a kind and encouraging space where women are spoken of with respect

I must be in the wrong men’s lounge.

Yes, Ava, the men’s lounge is where the true mongers come out. We are human, but some of us are ugly.

[Austin Ellen]

When I started on ECCIE there was a guy who wrote a review on a provider. He forgot to set the BCD to private so his comments were open to the public. After reading what he wrote - I wanted to take a 4 hour shower. It was vile,disgusting and vulgar. Then someone on ECCIE accused me of having a "mandle" - No - I said I don't want to read that kind of shit. I don't have one. It was truly - truly - awful. I felt yuckie for a long time after I read what that guy wrote. It was like some animal tore into a girl. Just horrible. After that I didn't look at reviews anymore. Too depressing for me.

[Fancyinheels]

Funnies aside, maybe best to stop talking about the private lounges, please, before someone gets in trouble, eh? Remember what happens in those areas is supposed to STAY in those areas! Just a caution about the site's core rules on secure forums before a misstep is inadvertently made, as occurs frequently with threads involving the topic, and I hate seeing it happen and having to be the disciplinarian.

Carry on otherwise! -- FIH/your annoying Irish staff nag

[CubanAva]

When I started on ECCIE there was a guy who wrote a review on a provider. He forgot to set the BCD to private so his comments were open to the public. After reading what he wrote - I wanted to take a 4 hour shower. It was vile,disgusting and vulgar. Then someone on ECCIE accused me of having a "mandle" - No - I said I don't want to read that kind of shit. I don't have one. It was truly - truly - awful. I felt yuckie for a long time after I read what that guy wrote. It was like some animal tore into a girl. Just horrible. After that I didn't look at reviews anymore. Too depressing for me.

The public comments are heartbreaking sometimes. I've stopped reading them because it would make me sick to my stomach. I'd never speak about another person in the manner of which some of these cockalorums do on the boards. It's truly repulsive.


James, I'd like to think I only get good apples. Ignorance is bliss and all that jazz.

[Lovinglifeinaustin]

James, I'd like to think I only get good apples.

Ava, I wish for you only good apples. You deserve it.

[deadeyedick]

The public comments are heartbreaking sometimes. I've stopped reading them because it would make me sick to my stomach. I'd never speak about another person in the manner of which some of these cockalorums do on the boards. It's truly repulsive.


James, I'd like to think I only get good apples. Ignorance is bliss and all that jazz.

cockalorums ? Good one