Seriously, Why are you

[ParisCummings]

Gentlemen, this is a hobby. It is a fantasy world in which you can indulge your wildest sexual wishes in. That's one of the reasons I am still here. I,too like to indulge in sexual delights that the ladies have to offer. I like to see certain ladies solo or with my hubby. However, we understand this is a hobby and we understand it takes disposable income to indulge. Now if we don't have the extra income - we don't indulge. And we never - ever - complain about a ladies price. We find that to be extremely distasteful. And so do the ladies.
Passion, perhaps you should look into 3daygetaways idea of joining a circle jerk meetup. It sounds like it is free and would be right up your alley.

Lmfaoooo yasss! Hahahha. It’s so funny reading some of these guys comments like some you can just feel the entitlement while reading it. Prices are prices if you don’t like maybe be faithful to your wife. This is a privilege not a right therefor you’ll have to pay for it. Ladies won’t be lowering their rates for you. There is always someone else willing to pay if you won’t and that’s just the facts. Some of you act like a $50 difference is life or death when no one is forcing you to hobby. Be a gentleman and don’t haggle. Only hit up girls in your price range or see less providers at a lower rate and just a few a month who are more upscale at a higher rate. There, problem solved with simple common sense.

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You might reconsider your phrasing here. The women of the hobby are not cuts of meat at the Whole Foods butcher counter.

Exactly. There’s also plenty of quality here , he just obviously doesn’t wanna pay for it. He wants the prime rib but only wants to pay scrap prices, that isn’t logical.

[3daygetaway]

....Only hit up girls in your price range or see less providers at a lower rate and just a few a month who are more upscale at a higher rate. There, problem solved with simple common sense.

Ummm, How much discretionary income do you think we have??? I believe what you meant to suggest was that we see several lower priced girls and one or two higher priced girls per month — let’s say a 3 to 1 ratio and pretend that a month has an even four weeks. Assuming we saw one girl per week, that’s 3×200+1×500 = $1100/mo. The median discretionary spending for a single person in Austin is $668. In real numbers, the lower priced girl should be $121, and the higher priced girl should be $303–and that’s ALL the money (nothing left for tips, gifts, flowers, or even the gas to get there).

Further, your comment that $50 should not be a big deal could be applied in reverse: is $50 a big deal to you? If I’m seeing four girls a month it’s worth $200 to me.. That difference is 30% of my discretionary income, and could be the difference between seeing another girl, or more realistically, putting the discretionary spending toward savings, incidentals, or, God forbid, family.

I won’t tell you what you are worth, but I will tell you: you are making some assumptions about what I can afford. If the two are incongruous, we have a problem in regard to unequal expectations. Again, we’ve all heard the provider response, which is: maybe this isn’t the best hobby for you, if you can’t afford it. We have heard you saying that — loud and clear. Likewise, you have heard us say the rates are beyond what we can pay, at least as regularly as you suggest we should be able to. While you are able to charge and profit whatever the market will bear, I don’t think you have done your market research on your clients. I am giving you cold, hard, mathematical proof of your market. When I price things in my business, I figure out what the market will pay for a service, and then I figure out how many clients I need to have in order to meet my financial goals. How do you establish your rates? Is it based in anything other than pride? Is it just to keep the riffraff out? As it is, y’all must be doing fine seeing a few clients at higher rates. TO THOSE BARELY SCRAPING BY, if you lowered your rates and saw more clients, you would bring in MORE money.

Somebody prove my economics wrong here.

[austinperv]

Do you mean the hobby or this site in particular?

The mean way of putting my involvement in the hobby is the "paid to leave" variety. I can get dates with very pretty women but outside of a relationship I still like a little fun. I'd like to make that fun as hassle free as possible and this site honestly seems healthier than tinder hookups for various reasons.

I'm here on this for the diamonds in the rough. I'm a fan of regulars and I'm normally content with the 2-3 girls a month I see now as far as price, performance, attitude... but I wouldn't be in the hobby if I didn't like a little variety and I'm always on the look out for another girl to make a regular. It's slow going because to be honest attitude wise a lot of the women I see posting here are pretty awful. Lots of girls will say that they act like this because other guys have pissed them off but I honestly don't believe that they'll treat me very well if the way they talk on here convinces me they just hate their potential clients.

I don't know if I would have the patience for the amount of BS the girls here must surely get so I can understand it but it's still a massive turn off.

[austinperv]

Somebody prove my economics wrong here.

You're not exactly wrong but I'd say you're way off in some of your thinking.

Part of what you say is completely correct as far as economy of scale goes but you're missing some of the costs of service and not all of them are physical. If you're going for an incall not every girl is comfortable having a client in their home so that's a hotel. There are also physical and mental costs associated with seeing more clients. For every girl that is an absolutely machine (in a good way) there are a dozen more who feel like tapping after one or two dudes. Then there's the fact that I think some of a girls self worth is caught up in their rates. I can definitely see the insult in "This product costs too much" when the product you're selling is yourself.

Another thing is many girls in the hobby have their own day jobs. This is more of a bonus than a career path and it's honestly a boon to have for fewer clients. More buck for their bang as it were.

Lastly while I like to keep my spending in check for this sort of thing it's still a luxury and not a necessity. I'm not sure a break down of the median amount of disposable income is going to be valid to a provider. The client's financial situation is meaningless to the provider without a preexisting relationship and even then... well I would never ask a girl for a discount unless I'm doing something for her outside of an appointment (ride, fixing something) and vice versa I'm not doing that for a provider without something back. This is a professional relationship.

[Green Eyed Shy Guy]

I sent a PM to a $300 an hour provider to see if she offers BNG. Her BNG rate was $40 lower than most of the ads I read. If it was to try and get me to come back for the hour then she is savvy because it worked. Another lady who posted charges $500 an hour, but is running a QV special for $100. Maybe she is smart and is also taking a calculated risk. I stopped trying to figure out how pricing works because it doesn't follow standard economic models.

[Victoria Columbari]

As stated before rates for ladies differ across the board. I know that most of the gents on this board prefer a certain dollar amount or less. As for lowering rates and being able to see more gents, this only works for a short time as gents will still complain about pricing. Just know that as prices in housing and food increase, so must rates in this area. I know of many gals that are increasing rates to above $400 esp now with the risk of covid. By next year. I expect ladies to start being in the 500 range. just my 2 cents.

[Passion2015]

Heck why go to 500 when you can go to 600 and get it because hobbyist here are paying asking price no matter the price.

Just my two cents on this fine Friday morning:)

[risn2theoccasion2]

Seriously, why are you...

Here?.

I ask myself this question quite often. Price has nothing to do with it though.

[dodger]

This is a privilege not a right therefore.....

i keep coming back to this ... i don't think of it as a privilege ... or a right. it is a spending from a discretionary "budget". it is free enterprise at its most stark. and when done properly, which (imo) has a great deal to do with expectations ... is a great deal of fun.

speaking of a great deal of fun ... paris appears to have the makings of a great deal of fun. of course, the proof of the pudding is in the eating .... and i am not likely to get a taste.

thing is ... i think the guys who make the best hobby dates are the guys who genuinely like and appreciate ladies who provide. by the same token, the most enjoyable hobby events for a guy are likely to be with ladies who enjoy and appreciate guys (who hobby)

[risn2theoccasion2]

thing is ... i think the guys who make the best hobby dates are the guys who genuinely like and appreciate ladies who provide. by the same token, the most enjoyable hobby events for a guy are likely to be with ladies who enjoy and appreciate guys (who hobby)

Dodger, my friend, couldn’t have said it better.

[dodger]

Dodger, my friend, couldn’t have said it better.

well .. there is one other thing i should have mentioned. attitude towards the hobby and the role we play. for me it is about all about erotic fantasy fulfillment ,,, hasn't changed since i saw my first playboy mag as a young teen. the flip side would be ladies who look down on being an escort. i have met some ... some love the job ... but not all of them. just saying ... easier to have fun with people who like what is going on ... themselves ... and the folks they are with .. it is not necessary ... just easier to have fun.

[RustyBalls]

thing is ... i think the guys who make the best hobby dates are the guys who genuinely like and appreciate ladies who provide. by the same token, the most enjoyable hobby events for a guy are likely to be with ladies who enjoy and appreciate guys (who hobby)

well .. there is one other thing i should have mentioned. attitude towards the hobby and the role we play. for me it is about all about erotic fantasy fulfillment ,,, hasn't changed since i saw my first playboy mag as a young teen. the flip side would be ladies who look down on being an escort. i have met some ... some love the job ... but not all of them. just saying ... easier to have fun with people who like what is going on ... themselves ... and the folks they are with .. it is not necessary ... just easier to have fun.

Agree. One of the reasons I hobby is I am still trying to find a girl who looks like the Miss January 1971 Playboy Centerfold. She was the first lady who showed a little (and I do mean a little) full frontal nudity in the magazine. A bunch of us had the pinup in a hidden place a work (underground USAF missile site control center) but we were found out by an outside inspection team who literally dropped in on us with no warning by helicopter. Cost me a small fine and I almost got thrown out of the Air Force over it as I was the commander of the crew and supposed to set the example.

Still looking for that lady every time I see a new lady in the hobby. Though that lady would be in her mid-70s now, I would happily hop in the sack with her tomorrow. And don't get me started about Marlyn Cole (from the UK), if you are curious, look them up, hot ladies.