Are you funding the Border wall or ladders? THREAD CLOSED BY CK1942

[WellEndowed1911]

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This is what happens when the facts don't fit the narrative...

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-favored-trump

Please tell me what your link has to do with the links I posted showing that the cartels have built tunnels to smuggle whatever they want into the U.S?
Hypothetically, do you think if the Wall gets built that the cartels are going to say: “that’s it we are done - there’s no way our drugs are getting through?”
You are turning this into a liberal vs conservative battle which I am not going in that direction. Both sides have good and bad ideas but you are obviously 100 percent conservative - I could easily post 100’s of links of falsehoods on Fox News.

However, answer the question how will a wall stop the cartels if they are smuggling items underground ?

[Lovinglifeinaustin]

No need to build a wall around this thread....it ain’t going anywhere.

Pointless...nobody’s going to change their minds over anyone else’s opinion.

Mr Trump, tear down walls! Reagan would be proud if you.

[WellEndowed1911]

Latest news is the Gofundme for the wall fell way short of expectations and they will be refunding the money - it was expected that if all 63 million people who voted for Trump was to donate 80 dollars it would be enough to pay the 5 billion price tag.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/12/us/...www.cnn.com%2F

[gfejunkie]

Fake news. Still going strong...

https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

[WellEndowed1911]

Fake news. Still going strong...

https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

Had you read the article you wouldn't have made such a false ASSumption- let me quote the article:

A crowdfunding effort for a wall at the southern border reached an impressive number, but it may have to give all that money back.

The GoFundMe campaign started by Brian Kolfage, a triple amputee Air Force veteran and motivational speaker, sought to provide $1 billion to fund President Donald Trump's border wall.

If all 63 million Americans who voted for President Trump donated, each would only have to pay $80 to reach the goal.
As of Friday, the campaign raised just over $20 million, but it's not all that Kolfage hoped for.
The campaign, GoFundMe said, was designed to be all or nothing.
"When the campaign was created, the campaign organizer specifically stated on the campaign page, 'If we don't reach our goal or come significantly close we will refund every single penny,'" GoFundMe told CNN. "He also stated on the campaign page, '100% of your donations will go to the Trump Wall. If for ANY reason we don't reach our goal we will refund your donation.'"
"That did not happen. This means all donors will receive a refund," GoFundMe told CNN.
However, the campaign page was still up early Saturday and accepting donations, and it's unclear when it will be taken down. GoFundMe said it is up to the campaign organizer to determine when it will be shut down.
With the now longest government shutdown in US history taking place over the funding of the border wall, Kolfage's campaign page said he "was tired of watching the U.S. government's inability to secure our southern border."
Kolfage said that he has determined that the federal government is not in a place to accept the money, so he intends on having a team to build a wall privately.
In place of the GoFundMe campaign, Kolfage set up a 501(c)(4) non-profit Florida Corporation named "We Build the Wall, Inc." and is asking donors to redirect their contributions to the organization.
But he will honor the refund, he said on the campaign page, if donors choose not to move to the new platform.
"When I created this fundraiser, I said if we did not reach our goal we will refund donors. I am honoring that commitment today. We will promptly refund your donation unless you tell us you approve our new plan for action," Kolfage said.



SO GFEJUNKIE WHERE AGAIN IS THE FAKE NEWS???? NEXT TIME READ THE ARTICLE INSTEAD OF MAKING ASSUMPTIONS PLEASE!!!!

[Crock]

However, answer the question how will a wall stop the cartels if they are smuggling items underground ?

President Trump has already conceded that the wall won't stop 100% of illegal border traffic. What it will do is enable the Border Patrol to devote more resources to filling tunnels and knocking down ladders and intercepting drug bundles launched by catapult. It will keep the majority of smugglers out (or funnel them to someplace where Border Patrol can devote more resources) and make this country safer. I don't think anyone with any credibility has suggested that it won't.

[WellEndowed1911]

President Trump has already conceded that the wall won't stop 100% of illegal border traffic. What it will do is enable the Border Patrol to devote more resources to filling tunnels and knocking down ladders and intercepting drug bundles launched by catapult. It will keep the majority of smugglers out (or funnel them to someplace where Border Patrol can devote more resources) and make this country safer. I don't think anyone with any credibility has suggested that it won't.

Ok two things I need to address are you under the belief that the majority of people coming here illegally are criminals? I don’t think it will make the country safer it will make it more difficult. Look at in the manner that if the government would shut down every escort site tomorrow - would it end prostitution? Hell no - it would make it harder for providers and hobbyist to schedule but there are other methods.
In terms of drugs - it surely won’t shut down the cartels in fact it probably would make them richer ? How would it make them richer? If the cartels have to build more tunnels or find other more expensive means to get their product over here that cost will be passed on to the buyer.
Also, you are aware that some drugs enter the country via boats and planes right ?

[gfejunkie]

people coming here illegally are criminals?

That pretty much says it all.

[WellEndowed1911]

That pretty much says it all.

What says it all ? You and trump want to make the statement that every one that is here illegally are in Trumps words : murder’s and rapist which obviously isn’t true.
It’s quite ironic that we are having a discussion on a ***** board about what is illegal and how they should be demonized when You and I for that matter have participated in an illegal act that your illustrious President once to eradicate even though we know he has purchased “pussy”. If that’s not the pot calling the kettle black.

GFE

[gfejunkie]

Just because you disagree with a law doesn't make you any less a criminal when you break it. Some just haven't been caught yet.

[Goofy11]

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Please tell me what your link has to do with the links I posted showing that the cartels have built tunnels to smuggle whatever they want into the U.S?
Hypothetically, do you think if the Wall gets built that the cartels are going to say: “that’s it we are done - there’s no way our drugs are getting through?”
You are turning this into a liberal vs conservative battle which I am not going in that direction. Both sides have good and bad ideas but you are obviously 100 percent conservative - I could easily post 100’s of links of falsehoods on Fox News.

However, answer the question how will a wall stop the cartels if they are smuggling items underground ?

The wall by itself will not and can not stop every assault that the wealthy cartels will throw at it. Be it tunnels, explosives, elaborate laddering schemes...but it will deter the thousands to tens of thousands who can, and are freely and simply walking across the border. The walls in San Diego and El Paso and a few other places are stopping 90% of illegal crossing. Heck CNN’s Acusta pointed that out just the other day with video showing how well the wall was working. Really couldn’t have said it better myself. Many of the tunnels have been found and stopped and a lot of those tunnels before they were completed. If we can take a huge work load off the border patrol workers from dealing with thousands upon thousands simply walking across they can refocus and seek out the tunnels. Still probably won’t be 100% effective but just a 50% reduction pays for the wall over and over and that number goes up with even more reduction and imagine what 90% would save us.

We need to deter the masses so we can fine tune the skills and tech to get the wealthy more cleaver ones going underground or over by air. Yes some use boats and planes and we have the Coast Guard working on the gulf and Pacific Ocean. Yes they use planes and yes we need much better planes for the border patrol to use. But I say we fund the USAF a little more and improve our radar and send a few fighter jets their way and those cartel planes will slow way down. As it is now they simply have better and faster planes then we do.

We are not stating that every immigrant crossing is a criminal with a criminal record or has criminal intentions but they are crossing illegally which by definition makes them a criminal. But take all of those folks trying for a better life and the American dream out of the equation for a moment, we still have, over the past two years, approximately 4,000 criminal aliens that have been arrested for homicide, 30,000 for sex crimes, over a 100,000 for violent assaults that we have caught after crossing the border. Who knows the number we missed! These crimes are against American citizens! In 2018, 17,000 individuals with criminal records were apprehended trying to cross this border, 60,000 inadmissible or illegal immigrants are turned away from our borders every single month. And over the last few weeks 20,000 children were smuggled or trafficked into the United States. This cannot be acceptable to any of us! This is not a manufactured crisis! We need to open our eyes this is real!

Let’s build the wall and have the wall slow this all down by 90% and reform the current immigration system that both parties are happy with to help all the ones wanting a better life and American dream to come across legally.

We need to stop illegal immigration and support legal immigration plain and simple.

[WellEndowed1911]

The wall by itself will not and can not stop every assault that the wealthy cartels will throw at it. Be it tunnels, explosives, elaborate laddering schemes...but it will deter the thousands to tens of thousands who can, and are freely and simply walking across the border. The walls in San Diego and El Paso and a few other places are stopping 90% of illegal crossing. Heck CNN’s Acusta pointed that out just the other day with video showing how well the wall was working. Really couldn’t have said it better myself. Many of the tunnels have been found and stopped and a lot of those tunnels before they were completed. If we can take a huge work load off the border patrol workers from dealing with thousands upon thousands simply walking across they can refocus and seek out the tunnels. Still probably won’t be 100% effective but just a 50% reduction pays for the wall over and over and that number goes up with even more reduction and imagine what 90% would save us.

We need to deter the masses so we can fine tune the skills and tech to get the wealthy more cleaver ones going underground or over by air. Yes some use boats and planes and we have the Coast Guard working on the gulf and Pacific Ocean. Yes they use planes and yes we need much better planes for the border patrol to use. But I say we fund the USAF a little more and improve our radar and send a few fighter jets their way and those cartel planes will slow way down. As it is now they simply have better and faster planes then we do.

We are not stating that every immigrant crossing is a criminal with a criminal record or has criminal intentions but they are crossing illegally which by definition makes them a criminal. But take all of those folks trying for a better life and the American dream out of the equation for a moment, we still have, over the past two years, approximately 4,000 criminal aliens that have been arrested for homicide, 30,000 for sex crimes, over a 100,000 for violent assaults that we have caught after crossing the border. Who knows the number we missed! These crimes are against American citizens! In 2018, 17,000 individuals with criminal records were apprehended trying to cross this border, 60,000 inadmissible or illegal immigrants are turned away from our borders every single month. And over the last few weeks 20,000 children were smuggled or trafficked into the United States. This cannot be acceptable to any of us! This is not a manufactured crisis! We need to open our eyes this is real!

Let’s build the wall and have the wall slow this all down by 90% and reform the current immigration system that both parties are happy with to help all the ones wanting a better life and American dream to come across legally.

We need to stop illegal immigration and support legal immigration plain and simple.

Very well explained
However, interesting that some drug traffickers at El Chapo’s trial stated that they don’t typically smuggle drugs through the opened border parts but use boats, cars, trains, and planes.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/12/us/...www.cnn.com%2F

Now granted the Sinola Cartel is the largest in Mexico but who knows whether the other cartels use the border.

[Goofy11]

Oh I am sure they have many and multiple ways of moving their product and pretty much unlimited funds to do so as well. But let’s not throw in the towel and accept defeat. Build a physical barrier that will greatly free up the border patrol so that they can then refocus on those many and multiply ways and start slowing those down.

If we give up our kids and their kids and their kids are doomed. Any drug dealer getting our kids or family members hooked on this stuff should have no mercy and be immediately eliminated from this earth and instantly sent to his maker for judgement. We need to make the war on drugs as serious as the we did the war in isis the last 2 years...unmerciful!

I appreciate the CNN links for reference but they hold absolutely zero credibility with me, zip, zero, none.

[WellEndowed1911]

Oh I am sure they have many and multiple ways of moving their product and pretty much unlimited funds to do so as well. But let’s not throw in the towel and accept defeat. Build a physical barrier that will greatly free up the border patrol so that they can then refocus on those many and multiply ways and start slowing those down.

If we give up our kids and their kids and their kids are doomed. Any drug dealer getting our kids or family members hooked on this stuff should have no mercy and be immediately eliminated from this earth and instantly sent to his maker for judgement. We need to make the war on drugs as serious as the we did the war in isis the last 2 years...unmerciful!

I appreciate the CNN links for reference but they hold absolutely zero credibility with me, zip, zero, none.

So I assume you think Fox News is the only honest news station and everything else is fake news ?
Let’s face the facts CNN and MSNBC are both media outlets that lean heavily liberal and Fox News leans heavily conservative so they are all bias.
Now you get to experience what liberals were dealing with 8 years when Obama was in office and listening to Fox News. In 8 years under Obama I recall perhaps 2 times that Fox News painted him in a positive light - that was when Osama got killed and when Obama ordered the hit to take out the somilian pirates.

Goofy sorry to say you and people like Gfejunkie are exactly what’s wrong with this country. And don’t get me wrong there’s liberals who do the same thing - you go to the polls every 2 to 4 years and you only support a candidate who has an R or D besides their name.
For the life of me I don’t understand how someone can be fully liberal or fully conservative. I hear what both candidates say and make my decision based on who I feel is over all the better candidate. I am not a zombie or a sheep and follow one party. I have voted for both republican and democrats in the past.
There’s been a couple of agendas that I supported Trump - the major one being cutting the corporate tax rate, but Trump is quickly showing his lack of experience - he thinks running the country is the same as running a business - and he’s finding out especially with a liberal controlled house that it’s not that easy.
He had better quickly learn the word compromise- plus I think this year his association with Russia will he exposed. Cohen testifies in front of congress soon all this looks bad for trump.

Goofy and Gfejunkie once again let me ask you we are 2 years into Trumps presidency - when is the last time an administration had so many firings/resignations and or indictments with people actually serving prison time ? I don’t know why you can’t see the train wreck happening right In front of your eyes.

[gfejunkie]

The truth of the matter is people like Goofy11 and I (among many others) are able to look at the various issues sans the emotional baggage of a demented visceral hatred for this President.

The people who work the southern border every day 24/7 know what works and what doesn't. As I said earlier in this thread, and was pretty much roundly ignored by everyone, is the US Border Patrol wants a barrier and that's good enough for me.