“Are you GFE”

[Oralist]

The other day I was reading a ladies ad that did NOT describe service level or price, but her pics were extraordinary. Also, her ad stated please call, don’t text. So I called, and she answered. I asked her what part of town she was in, she told me. Then, I asked if she was GFE...... She said no, then hung up. Was it wrong for me to ask? I can’t go see a lady without knowing what to expect.

Most Companions I see are on P411. I have a Profile there that describes what I prefer in a session. Companions can choose from a list of items that help define what is available with her. Ex: Kissing, Amateur Porn Star, Freaky, Fetishes. She is going to be GFE+. If she doesn't list much, I refer her to my Profile and ask if we are a good fit.

Works for me.

[CurvyCourtney]

I consider myself very GFE. DFK and bbbj but I think it may mean something else to different people.

[The Water Company ~]

^ Do you discuss it over the phone?

[Fancyinheels]

Nobody should HAVE to discuss acronyms/abbreviations over the phone or by PM. One of the OP's points, which seems to keep getting overlooked, is that evidently the companion in question didn't have enough data out for him to determine if she was the GFE type. As he said, her ad did not give info on service or price. Still unclear on whether or not she was verified and had a complete profile here or elsewhere, P411, or reviews.

If ladies want fellows to know what they offer so that innapropriate queries are unecessary, give 'em a clue.

[MsTaylorLeigh]

I don't mind being asked if I'm gfe. My issue is people wanting to know my "menue". I'm not mcdonalds, your aren't driving up to my drive through and picking whatever you want. I only see others that are compatible with how I am, which I can get a pretty good idea of by how they respond to what I've written about myself. If I have to list off activities for you then you are not someone I want to see. I understand others don't have the same take on the hobby as I do but I'm past the b.s. I want connection and passion, not to be looked at like I'm an object.

You put it so well. It's particularly offputting when the first message is asking for "my menu". Like you said, we aren't a fast food drive through. There's no #2 combo. No two dates are the same and what may happen behind closed doors tonight may not happen tomorrow night depending on my chemistry with my date.

[loveitdou]

This is a little off subject but a suggestion ONLY to you lovely ladies and Thank You.
it would save us all time if you posted your donation in the about me section, now I can understand that that might open you up to liability with the LE so if that's is so --don't do it. I just hate calling/texting and asking, It is because I live on my debit card almost exclusively and need to stop and get the cash + tip money.

[pxmcc]

so I'll throw in my 2 cents re: Katie's concerns. i never practiced crim law so if any of you crim lawyers want to chime in, please do so.

So any agreement to exchange sex for money is illegal and subjects you to arrest and prosecution. so let's take a hypo, with a Verified Provider and an unverified hobbyist say in a text convo.

U.H.- what are your donations?
V.P.-half hour is 160, f.h. is 260.
U.H.-is that gfe or regular?
V.P.-gfe.
U.H.-could you swing 300 roses for 90 min, f.s. and gfe?
V.P.- yes i could do that.

Suppose the U.H. is undercover vice. he can arrest the V.P. at any time now. she has agreed to sex for money, and has already broken the law. the rest is just details: when and where the arrest takes place.

the same is true if the u.c. officer is a fake provider, and its the hobbyist who accepts the deal.

what all this means is that if a provider is less than 100% certain that the "hobbyist" isn't uc vice conducting a sting, she should not have a conversation like this.

if a provider is dealing with a verified hobbyist who has a large online footprint, has tens of reviews, and great references with V.P.s, she may feel pretty confident that this gent is not u.c. vice. then it's up to her discretion whether she would entertain discussion of this type. if she never wants to have a convo of this type, she could put on her bio page: "I do not discuss services. Refer to my reviews."

Because of the first scenario above, providers may be quite uncomfortable discussing services and rates with sketchy hobbyists. so a newb may end up on a DNS list of a V.P. for initiating a convo like that. the first scenario is also why screening is a big deal in the hobby. hopefully adequate screening will weed out u.c. vice before a provider finds herself in a tricky convo. screening-of some type-should always occur before any such convo should be entertained.

Also, for providers (and hobbyists): if something sounds tgtbt, be wary, very wary. if someone is offering a 300 bj, there's a reason for it usually, and not the good kind, like they're really rich and have money to burn.

Thoughts and feedback?

[Securitized]

When I'm SW mongering, I just ask the lady if she wants to go to a motel with me for half an hour. She then tells me a number and I agree to it. That's perfectly legal. We don't mention specific activities until we fully screen each other in the car. That's way easier than all this online bullshit. One SW in my car right after picking her up told me to suck her tit as we were driving down the street because she wanted to make sure I wasn't a cop. It looked like she was breastfeeding a grown ass man in a car because I had to lean all the way over.

Now, the two times I interacted with narcs, they ALWAYS mentioned specific sex acts. Those fuckers.

[pxmcc]

When I'm SW mongering, I just ask the lady if she wants to go to a motel with me for half an hour. She then tells me a number and I agree to it. That's perfectly legal. We don't mention specific activities until we fully screen each other in the car. That's way easier than all this online bullshit. One SW in my car right after picking her up told me to suck her tit as we were driving down the street because she wanted to make sure I wasn't a cop. It looked like she was breastfeeding a grown ass man in a car because I had to lean all the way over.

Now, the two times I interacted with narcs, they ALWAYS mentioned specific sex acts. Those fuckers.

imo, your procedure has significantly improved over your older procedure-which involved more specificity. zero reason to get super specific. everyone knows what the basic menu is for a SW/BP session. if the SW is gonna pull fuckery, she can pull fuckery anyway, regardless of what's said. might as well not expose yourself to greater liability for zero extra benefit.

[Securitized]

imo, your procedure has significantly improved over your older procedure-which involved more specificity. zero reason to get super specific. everyone knows what the basic menu is for a SW/BP session. if the SW is gonna pull fuckery, she can pull fuckery anyway, regardless of what's said. might as well not expose yourself to greater liability for zero extra benefit.

I have fucked up so many SW pickup attempts in the process of getting to where I am now. I can finally look back now and laugh about it but my journey has had it's share of frustrations. I've had several women walk off on me because I said something that scared them off. I should've had a camera recording it so I could make a video series called "Rookie SW Pickup Bloopers".

[pxmcc]

I have fucked up so many SW pickup attempts in the process of getting to where I am now. I can finally look back now and laugh about it but my journey has had it's share of frustrations. I've had several women walk off on me because I said something that scared them off. I should've had a camera recording it so I could make a video series called "Rookie SW Pickup Bloopers".

if it makes you feel better, my early hobby career was a running blooper series. "how i was a dumbass and got screwed-not in the good way-again n again" kinda sums it up. in my defense, each screwing was slightly different, so there's that...

[Securitized]

if it makes you feel better, my early hobby career was a running blooper series. "how i was a dumbass and got screwed-not in the good way-again n again" kinda sums it up. in my defense, each screwing was slightly different, so there's that...

Yeah that helps. There's definitely an upfront cost or entry fee to be paid by the rookie hobbyist. I almost threw the towel in several times on SW mongering but I always came back stronger.