Things not to talk about

[MileyRay]

Just a question for hobbyists, if u see a good review on a provider but then see some bad comments under that review and base all your expectations on those comments and when u go to the provider that had a good review but bad comments from someone who didn’t write the review and go to her room with your biased opinion of those bad comments. Like what are u expecting! I just had a verified hobbyist come in the room who said that he read my review but seen other comments that weren’t good like I “click watch” whatever that means. He came in here, we said a few words I sat on the bed and he goes to sit on the chair on the other side of the bed. Then he asks if I’m in the mood, lol, I smile and say yes I’m waiting on u to get comfortable then I will. He proceeds to say that if I’m not in the mood he can leave, so at this point he hasn’t even given me a chance. This is our first encounter so of course I’m nervous and say yes again waiting on U to get comfortable. He then takes his shoes off and pants but leaves everything on so then I tell him to come closer to me and sit on the bed and then he says he is leaving. Lol like he didn’t even give me a chance. He was so focused on the bad comments whatever they were. I just wanna know why see a provider u have no intentions on giving a fair chance!?! What’s the point of wasting my time, giving u my personal info on where my location is just to leave without testing the product for yourself. So of course I’m sure he is gonna have a bed review to write and I have no way of defending myself!?! So what are we as providers supposed to do to defend ourself against weird hobbyists???

[Universal]

Hello Beautiful,
Comments/reviews won't make or break you.
Adult, mature men find out for themselves with their own penis.
I have been in this business for years & they ALWAYS give the lady a chance regardless of what anyone thinks. Most men are nice but some will gripe because it's part of their personality. You can't make some people happy no matter what.
Don't beat yourself up.

[MileyRay]

Very true! Thanks honey ��

[1Blackman1]

Maybe you should post an ad with your menu. Most guys will gladly give you a fair shake if they know what’s possible. If they aren’t sure they will rely on what’s written by other guys on this board. There’s a few things that almost all guys are weary of.

Clock watchers - a lady that’s literally times you from the moment you walk in and might even remind you mid sex that “you have 5 minutes remaining”

CBJ - most guys aren’t a fan so they really wanna know in advance if that’s the deal.

MSOG - some guys are one and done, some can go 2-3 times in a hour, some 2x in a half hour. Guys will wanna know whether they will get a second shot if time allows.

Kissing/GFE - is it gonna be foreplay and build up or just mechanical so you can get it over. Guys wanna know going in what to expect.

IOP - will it feel like a GFE experience or just a “get a nut and get out”.

The dreaded GPS - the unfair opinion that a lady is overcharging. I believe every lady is worth what she believes she’s worth but that doesn’t mean every guy should pay that amount. Meaning, combining the above things goes into rate setting. No matter how hot a lady is 1 shot, no kissing, CBJ is going to make guys hesitate to pay an above market value rate. Whereas a hot lady that gives great service and makes a guy feel like he’s with his girlfriend for the hour will have guys lining up paying top dollar.

Every guy is different and expectations are different but knowing going in what’s expected from the encounter helps tremendously. Not knowing and being expected to “find out when he gets there” makes a man feel he’s gambling his hobby dollars. Your pics show you’re a 12 so there’s that but as you appear to imply, you believe someone has stated their experience with you was less desirable than they may have expected and that causes some trepidation amongst hobbyists.

List a menu, try to give great service and your business will thrive.

Just my 1 cent.

[ThePainter]

Adding on to 1B: put that info into your signature, not the posts themselves. Then, when you want to change something, or delete it, it is changed for every posting. Many providers are very skilled at this, their ads have no mention of service or rate, it is just in the signature.

Another cent.

[Warpt]

I have been with this girl in the past.
She is a looker.
I went in knowing her menu, it wasn't my favorite menu, but in the area I was working in she was only good looking lady there.
I don't argue with a lady about her activities and/or price point.
I can deal with her menu and price or not.
And the lady will have to live with her decision of her menu and price.

I agree with 1B1. Put your menu and price and your signature line, let the guys know what is YMMV.
And let them make the decision.

[Universal]

For those that don't know the guidelines
written in stone by Oh2 in the FAQ
section.

A woman can verbally tell you her expectations & price point, if a gentleman doesn't like her way of doing business he can politely move along & find someone in his budget with a agreeable menu. Writing a specific menu with a price is openly promoting prostitution, self incriminating is not worth it.
Any woman that doesn't offer something shouldn't have to lower their prices because some men don't like covered bj's. It's their body & they set the rules.
Several women aren't offering GFE because of Covid precautions

OH2 exact wording for the guidelines.
Screenshot below

[myren1900]

It is perfectly fine for a provider to be very safe and only give covered services, including CBJ. If she has a great personality, is sexy and we have great chemistry, I would repeat.

[tboydeaux]

In other words, be upfront and you will find you market.

[Sawbonz54]

While I can’t imagine the frustration of providers (no one would pay to see me for sure), my biggest issue is false advertising. When a provider presents themselves in a certain way, but when you meet ladies are poorly groomed, live in a messy place, have an attitude of “hurry up & get it over with” I have a difficult time paying full price for sub-standard service.

If I go to a restaurant and the food is not properly prepared, the server is slow or worse tries to rush me out, makes excuses for the bad service I ask for the manager and frankly expect at least part of the meal will be removed from the bill. I will, however, still leave a tip because the waiter/waitress brought the food, but it will be much less than what I would have given for proper service in the hope that that will motivate them to perform properly the next time. Unfortunately, often the response is to attack the poster instead of making some effort to reflect, see if there is merit to the post, and change their behavior accordingly. The fact that providers choose this attack mentality so frequently is disappointing to me because everyone could have a better experience if as much thought was put into changing the offensive behavior as personally attacking the critic.

Although I have been in a few terrible situations, I have done what I came to do & left having paid the agreed amount. I consider that a learning experience and although I am hesitant to write negative reviews, mainly because some providers or agencies have false hobbyist accounts so that they can see what reviews say about them, or what is posted in the Locker Room. I will instead contact hobbyists directly who are asking questions about a provider I have seen or had contact with so that they will have more information to make a decision based on all of the information available. Isn’t that what this site and others like it are for?

Finally, I understand the frustration of both sides, but I disagree that service providers should be paid in full for poor service, just the same as I believe that providers should be able to refuse service to hobbyists who they don’t find acceptable (poor hygiene, rude or abusive behavior).

I’m sure that I will catch hell for this, but that’s OK. We are all entitled to our opinions. There is nothing to say that mine is right or wrong. Like the saying goes,”Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one & it stinks,” but hope fully not if Greek is on the menu. Ha

Maybe my ideas are a bit Pollyanna, but it is the way I believe things, especially here, should work.

[Universal]

You aren't getting any hell from me intelligent man.
But let me add to your opinion.
Opinions aren't/shouldn't be based on someone they haven't (seen).
The lady they haven't seen is being demonized about CBJ's & GPS accusations.
You know there is a big difference between a Mercedes-Benz & a Nissan.
The prices are very different.
Her body is a definite Mercedes Benz in comparison to my fat ass & therefore she is in greater demand.
People shouldn't complain about something they have never experienced
You don't go into a Mercedes-Benz office & complain about the prices.
Give the same RESPECT !!!!
It all boils down to some wanting something they can't afford so they go on the attack.
She can afford to charge what ever she wants with a body of a porn star.

[Sawbonz54]

I apologize. I didn’t mean to upset you so much. I did believe that some would not appreciate another opinion as I stated.

I never complained about anyone’s price. How a provider values her body is entirely up to her. No problem there. However if the Mercedes performs like a Sentra then I’m going to return it for a refund. I also stated that I only provide information that I have directly about any interaction I have had with a provider someone is asking about. Sometimes that interaction is only communication where myself or the Mercedes have decided not to meet for whatever reason.

Bottom line is that this is a business transaction. If I’m not satisfied with the item I return it for a refund, sometimes minus a restocking fee. I never complained about the services offered by the lady, so I’m not sure what that’s about unless you we’re getting to the other posts in the thread.

I have paid $100 for a qv with a provider and I have paid $600 for one hour with one whose services I appreciated more than others. I know what I’m getting at both price points. That’s my responsibility and my choice just the same as you can charge whatever you wish for your service weather you’re a “fat ass” or a “porn star” (your words, definitely not mine).

As I said earlier, I understand both sides of the transaction to a degree and would like to think that expressing my opinion wouldn’t hurt someone so much that they feel the need to attack it or be hurt by it. Unfortunately, in society at large, people seem to think that a “get ya, got ya” posture is necessary. We seem to have forgotten that sticks & stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Once again, for clarity, I’m not complaining about someone else’s opinion about this particular issue, just that I can have one that differs and that’s allowed. I’m truly sorry that I hurt your or anyone else’s feelings by not agreeing, and hope that we can continue to engage in healthy debate about this and other issues.

Best of luck to all and everyone stay safe out there.

[MileyRay]

You aren't getting any hell from me intelligent man.
But let me add to your opinion.
Opinions aren't/shouldn't be based on someone they haven't (seen).
The lady they haven't seen is being demonized about CBJ's & GPS accusations.
You know there is a big difference between a Mercedes-Benz & a Nissan.
The prices are very different.
Her body is a definite Mercedes Benz in comparison to my fat ass & therefore she is in greater demand.
People shouldn't complain about something they have never experienced
You don't go into a Mercedes-Benz office & complain about the prices.
Give the same RESPECT !!!!
It all boils down to some wanting something they can't afford so they go on the attack.
She can afford to charge what ever she wants with a body of a porn star.

Facts!!

[ck1942]

I have no way of defending myself!?! So what are we as providers supposed to do to defend ourself against weird hobbyists???

ty for asking a question that makes sense and ....

First off, the respect rules hereabouts are that ladies and gents are co-equals in this community. All should acknowledge that for the most part, in the greater hobbyverse, ladies accept more risk than do gents.

With respect to the question asked above, while ladies cannot reply directly to reviews here (as opposed to some elsewheres), ladies have the option(s) of

1) posting a direct response in the coed forums with usually a link back to the review and can definitely expect that the review will garner a link to her response.

2) posting in the companions security forum

But, of course, the above 1) and 2) always have the potential for downsides, flashbacks and lashbacks and those posts will very likely be considered when hobbyists research future engagement possibilities.

And, of course, those ladies who do their own proper research have the same options of considering a hobbyist's posts and reviews and references and any of that hobbyist's data will certainly be considered prior to granting any engagements.

^^^ big AND ^^^ many hobbyists will also consider that member's posts, threads, and other relevant data when giving (or denying) his credibility no matter how many -- and especially how few -- his reviews and posts are considered.

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regarding the OP's post ... I note that she has reported that a hobbyist came into her room and etcetera ... and there was no "etcetera" because he decided to depart.

IMO, at that point he owed her whatever donation they had agreed to, unless, for some reason she did not want to engage.

Which means, to me, that this should be duly reported back to his references and posted in the security forums as a matter of course to protect other companions from similar behavior.

[MileyRay]

Thanks for that, he definitely didn’t pay the agreed amount. Left me $20 for wasting my time.