Returning to the Hobby?

[Fallout4]

This question is more geared towards the providers/hobbiest who have left the game or limited their activities (No LFK/DFK, BBBJ, SS, ect) dude to the pandemic.

When or what are you using as a trigger point to jump back in? Waiting for a certain date, downward trend in cases, opening the city back up, or for a vaccine to be developed?

[DEAR _JOHN]

This question is more geared towards the providers/hobbiest who have left the game or limited their activities (No LFK/DFK, BBBJ, SS, ect) dude to the pandemic.

When or what are you using as a trigger point to jump back in? Waiting for a certain date, downward trend in cases, opening the city back up, or for a vaccine to be developed?

This is a very good question and I'm in the same boat as you, except you're officially verified. I really want to come off hiatus, but at what point is it safe to re-enter the hobby? At this point I'm mentally and emotionally prepared, and even have a 'to do' list of those ladies I've made friends with on my friends list. This is my starting point and if a lady doesn't even take 5 seconds to click OK to be a friend, then I move on to another lady. One thing I have going for me is that I still have lady friends and gentlemen friends active that I knew back in 'the day' and I still communicate with them. That, and my friends list is all I need to get started with. I really miss socials we used to have which was a great way to meet new ladies and get to be with them and not just with knowing a lady through her daily ads.

Personally I'm thinking June would be a good time to start, but at this point in time we really don't know what the future holds concerning the corona virus. We'll just need to see.

This being said, I won't get back until all activities are on the menu. I mean if I'm going to be close enough to have the physical part, why not have the more intimate parts of the session at the same time?

Good luck to you and I hope you find a time where you can re-enter the hobby and have peace of mind while enjoying your time with your chosen lady.

[twiggy]

I’m my opinion.

If a provider was actually worried, she wouldn’t just take things off her menu. Taking away things isn’t lessening their chances of getting it. They put themselves at risk the moment they decide to see someone.
So to me it’s folks really milking it while still trying to get folks money.

Either your scared or aren’t but taking things off the menu yet still meeting folks doesn’t make sense. Unless gloves, googles and face masks are worn at all times during that session lol sooo idk

I say enter back when you truly feel comfortable. If you’re worried I say give it another month to see what’s going on before deciding to jump back in.

[Anna Nikkole]

It's gotten through caugh or sneeze, basically saliva. So kissing is all I have removed. I'm not afraid, I wash hands regularly and try to abide by CDC although lately it's getting ridiculous.

So spit and saliva. After a bbbj the gent can wash himself and his hands and hope for the best....

I have lost and gained through this. Some love kissing and they won't do a session without it. Some respect that I'm COVID clean and TRYING to stay that way and still playing.

I'm more worried about infecting others. I have a high immune system(knock on wood)

[Ben Rhimene]

It's gotten through caugh or sneeze, basically saliva. So kissing is all I have removed. I'm not afraid, I wash hands regularly and try to abide by CDC although lately it's getting ridiculous.

The CDC webpage makes it clear that it is transmitted MAINLY from person-to-person. It then states "through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks."

Coughing and sneezing obviously create air streams of relative force. But talking? And lab tests show it can live on various surdaces for hours, which means touches can transmit it.

I am pretty much with Twiggy on this one-if you are playing you are taking on more risk than not playing. No kissing may reduce the obvious transmission channels, but if you're talking, touching, and breathing at an elevated level you are creating transmission opportunities.

Not judging either way, but want to make sure everyone's decisions are based on the best info available.

[chloevankatie]

The CDC webpage makes it clear that it is transmitted MAINLY from person-to-person. It then states "through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks."

Coughing and sneezing obviously create air streams of relative force. But talking? And lab tests show it can live on various surdaces for hours, which means touches can transmit it.

I am pretty much with Twiggy on this one-if you are playing you are taking on more risk than not playing. No kissing may reduce the obvious transmission channels, but if you're talking, touching, and breathing at an elevated level you are creating transmission opportunities.

Not judging either way, but want to make sure everyone's decisions are based on the best info available.

I gotta agree. There was a case in China where the lady drove across China to visit her family and infected 5 family members. I am pretty sure she was not engaged in DFK with 5 family members. Just being in close proximity was enough to make the spread happen.

But with that being said, if I was currently providing I would still probably limit DFK cause it seems like getting right up in someone's face is pretty much asking for it. So I can understand why some ladies have taken it off the menu, even if the only reason is too make themselves feel better. Sometimes peace of mind comes from controlling what few things that you feel you have control over in a crisis, and peace of mind can be all that matters at the end of the day if that's all you got to rely on.

Do what you feel you gotta do if you feel it works for you.

[NordicJag]

As Yoda said, "Do or do not. There is no try." In other words hobby or don't hobby. Taking items off the menu is pretty worthless.

[Ben Rhimene]

But with that being said, if I was currently providing I would still probably limit DFK cause it seems like getting right up in someone's face is pretty much asking for it. So I can understand why some ladies have taken it off the menu, even if the only reason is too make themselves feel better.

I completely understand Anna's choice, just as I do yours. I like DFK way too much so I have self-sidelined since this went down.

My point was to be sure people were aware of the risk even w/o kissing. One, so we are making the best decisions for ourselves. But second, when things open up again, we have to be aware of the second wave. The curve was flattened and we peaked 6 days ago. But scientists all agree a second wave will come. The question is when and how bad? It may only come back as COVID-20, or it may be a bad wave 1 month after re-opening. Either way it will be because 1 infected person unknowingly transmitted it to another and the chain reaction starts again. Hobby human nature suggests there will be sufficient transmission opportunities.

[chloevankatie]

As Yoda said, "Do or do not. There is no try." In other words hobby or don't hobby. Taking items off the menu is pretty worthless.

I don't agree with this statement.

Shall we all offer BBFS then? Greek?

Providers have always offered different menu options based upon their comfort level, whether or not those options were backed by medical science doesn't matter, it has always been about what makes a lady feel comfortable.

There are probably guys out there that don't want to DFK either right now, and so for those guys it would be a perfect match.

You just gotta find the lady that offers the menu that you are looking for and likewise she has to find the gentlemen who want what she provides.

It's personal preference.

People gotta do whatever they are comfortable with.

Like Ben, I have been on the sidelines for a month or so now, cause that is where I feel most comfortable right now.

[chloevankatie]

I completely understand Anna's choice, just as I do yours. I like DFK way too much so I have self-sidelined since this went down.

My point was to be sure people were aware of the risk even w/o kissing. One, so we are making the best decisions for ourselves. But second, when things open up again, we have to be aware of the second wave. The curve was flattened and we peaked 6 days ago. But scientists all agree a second wave will come. The question is when and how bad? It may only come back as COVID-20, or it may be a bad wave 1 month after re-opening. Either way it will be because 1 infected person unknowingly transmitted it to another and the chain reaction starts again. Hobby human nature suggests there will be sufficient transmission opportunities.

I am worried about the second wave too.

[Kammye]

I’m my opinion.

If a provider was actually worried, she wouldn’t just take things off her menu. Taking away things isn’t lessening their chances of getting it. They put themselves at risk the moment they decide to see someone.
So to me it’s folks really milking it while still trying to get folks money.

Either your scared or aren’t but taking things off the menu yet still meeting folks doesn’t make sense. Unless gloves, googles and face masks are worn at all times during that session lol sooo idk

I say enter back when you truly feel comfortable. If you’re worried I say give it another month to see what’s going on before deciding to jump back in.

I agree with twiggy 100%.

[Ben Rhimene]

I am worried about the second wave too.

I am literally on the fence about it. I will try to keep these comments about policy and not politics.

Keeping stay home orders in place DEFINITELY lowered every area's respective curve. But, it also hindered each area's economy. But without a vaccine for another year (for the COVID-19 version, NOT the COVID-20 mutation) I question the line of thinking which suggests quarantine until gone helps. None of us want to catch it. Most/many of us probably have had it and were asymptomatic. We have ZERO EFFING clue the infection rate because testing is so low.

So as a society do we risk lives by opening up too fast, or do we risk a different level of lives plus livelihoods by opening up too slowly?! I get the medical stance to save lives, but I challenge that X number of lives saved is worth cratering the economy. THAT, to me, is the math we need to be talking about. Full disclosure, I don't have family/friends in high-risk categories so I understand that those who do will have a different tolerance level for taking on risk. There is NO easy answer, but I am concerned officials aren't asking the hard questions...

[chloevankatie]

I am literally on the fence about it. I will try to keep these comments about policy and not politics.

Keeping stay home orders in place DEFINITELY lowered every area's respective curve. But, it also hindered each area's economy. But without a vaccine for another year (for the COVID-19 version, NOT the COVID-20 mutation) I question the line of thinking which suggests quarantine until gone helps. None of us want to catch it. Most/many of us probably have had it and were asymptomatic. We have ZERO EFFING clue the infection rate because testing is so low.

So as a society do we risk lives by opening up too fast, or do we risk a different level of lives plus livelihoods by opening up too slowly?! I get the medical stance to save lives, but I challenge that X number of lives saved is worth cratering the economy. THAT, to me, is the math we need to be talking about. Full disclosure, I don't have family/friends in high-risk categories so I understand that those who do will have a different tolerance level for taking on risk. There is NO easy answer, but I am concerned officials aren't asking the hard questions...

From a politician's standpoint, the choice is to either see the economy die a slow death, or to see mass amounts of people die.

It's gonna look really really bad for a politician to just let people die, so they are taking the route of killing the economy. It's the lesser of two evils.

[Ben Rhimene]

From a politician's standpoint, the choice is to either see the economy die a slow death, or to see mass amounts of people die.

It's gonna look really really bad for a politician to just let people die, so they are taking the route of killing the economy. It's the lesser of two evils.

I think you are absolutely right.

But that isn't what we elected them for. It will be interesting to see how leaders around the country fare when they are back on the slate...

[dtymh55]

As Yoda said, "Do or do not. There is no try." In other words hobby or don't hobby. Taking items off the menu is pretty worthless.

Well stated Sir.