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    andy Langer had a very thoughtful and complete coverage of the whole topic of canceling sxsw this year. here is an analysis of the subject from every angle. Andy Langer
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    A LONG SERIES OF THOUGHTS RE: SXSW, COVID-19 AND THE POTENTIAL FOR DISRUPTION:

    I’m not an expert in Epidemiology or Infectiology and amateur internet infectious disease specialists are doing none of us any favors. For better or worse, I am a SXSW expert and my thinking about the viability of SXSW 2020 has shifted fairly dramatically in the last 24-48 hours. Last week, I told anyone that asked that SXSW was wholly unlikely to budge in any significant way and most likely to “proceed as planned” while following Austin Public Health’s/World Health Organization recommendations and by periodically updating its safety resource pages for attendees. Today, I believe that’s less likely than it was- not because of a viral Change.org petition or because there will necessarily be enough cancellations to render it entirely unsustainable, but perhaps because the logistics and optics of 10-day festival hosting thousands from all corners of the earth partying it up – even if guided by an abundance of caution- puts too many entities at risk- not just by way of public health, but in a potentially legally liable/ uninsurable way and places them potentially sideways with the almighty court of public opinion. Fear is contagious and it snowballs quickly into an icy wall of pile-on backlash. This is neither the time for Doritos or White Claw jokes or to call for its cancellation because SXSW doesn’t suit your needs anymore (“It’s too corporate!” “It started off as thing for locals!”, “I played too many shows for free!”, “I couldn’t get in to see Drake!,” weh weh weh.)

    That said, as a practical matter, Costco-preppers aside, people in Austin and most other major cities across America aren’t changing their day-to-day lives much at all right now. This could change and this is a mass gathering with a large global constituency, but how different is the typical SXSW experience from daily life? People who consider themselves most at risk or who can’t travel to SXSW because of travel restrictions or new ass-covering company policies/safety procedures, simply won’t come. Then again, Las Vegas – the crown jewel of the convention business- is seeing cancellations- conferences planned for March by the White House and Google have been scrapped. Also worth noting: it’s impossible to know how many of the cancel-SXSW petitioners live here and/or would’ve been involved in any way with SXSW, or understand the complexities of the decision and its consequences.

    At this point, it’s probably just on the cusp of too soon for anybody to making a call one way or another- although canceling sooner than later could theoretically mitigate some of the economic impact. And this morning’s announcement that Hillary Clinton will headline a day-long subset of political programming appears to be SXSW doubling down. But in a general sense, here’s what’s working against SXSW- a lot of its attendee base. The Venn Diagram of SXSW badegholders and people most likely to be both educated and/or afraid of the implications of an international mass gathering in uncertain times is a flat circle. A subset of that group is also naturally turned off by huge corporations (which they see SXSW Inc. and its sponsors as) and will pressure/shame SXSW into putting public safety ahead of economics and what they perceive as “greed”- even if those characterizations and the actual decision process are not nearly as black and white in reality. And yet, at the end of the day, this is so much bigger than SXSW Inc.- SXSW is its own giant ecosystem, a lot of which we’ve seen across SXSW’s wide-swinging ebbs and flows is often bigger than and out of the reach of SXSW Inc. itself. For starters, Impact News is reporting it’s not SXSW, but “City/county health officials have authority to make the final call.” That call will obviously and rightfully be focused wholly on public health considerations, but its ramifications is multifold: it stands to adversely impact city and state taxes, Austin’s convention ecosystem, the hotel industry, our local tech and arts community, Austin non-profits that profit and piggy back on SXSW events, our culinary scene and the multitude (thousands?) of ancillary Austin businesses that live rent check to rent check and count on the SXSW bump to carry them through. Yet, as devastating as that trickle-down might be, far more actually devastating is Austin (or Texas) as a COVID-19 hotspot: for the obvious and tragic public health implications and because the quarantines, work/school closures, shortages/panic etc could have longer/larger economic impact.

    Here’s the three options for how this all plays out:

    BUSINESS AS USUAL: As the hours/days tick by, this increasingly seems like the least likely option. Again, this isn’t about the Change,org petition. It’s more about liability and optics. The information we have (or just as importantly don’t have) about overall threat level for community spread, the # of cases and the spread patterns in the US are super-fluid. And I’m also not a lawyer, but it seems like we have enough scientifically grounded and publicly available information about the potential risks that if the SXSW went on “as planned” and the worst happened, there would be a flurry of litigation- aimed not just at SXSW Inc., but at the city and state, sponsors hosting activations and maybe even individual businesses that were perceived to be negligent in mitigating the risk.

    Also against the business as usual model: while an official statement form SXSW Inc. last week said cancellations were on par with previous years, that’s unlikely to hold. Friday evening, I got an email from a major record label group (Concord) canceling their annual happy hour party (scheduled for 3/18) because the company has already “restricted the travel of its employees domestically and abroad.” Meanwhile, Facebook has already canceled its annual developer conference, due to coronavirus concerns, which was scheduled to take place on May 5th and May 6t. At SXSW, Facebook is set to host a week-long event at the old Copper Tank. What’s the likelihood that happens when they’ve already canceled their May conference and they’re perceived to be hosting a party in Austin while their employees in Silicon Valley are battling with what to do about their own safety in California? Both Amazon and Twitter have also reportedly suspended all "non-critical" business travel due to coronavirus- leading to the cancellation of a SXSW interactive conversation with founder Jack Dorsey.

    And again, the optics of a “business as usual” SXSW are terrible and don’t underestimate the value of optics. No matter how transparent SXSW Inc. were to be about the decision-making that went into moving forward as-is, it’s hard to imagine that being enough to bat back the backlash. When Facebook canceled its event they said they did so “in order to prioritize the health and safety of our developer partners, employees and everyone who helps put F8 on.” Fair or not, whether actual science backs the conclusion or not, we’re probably already at a point where “business as usual” will be read optically as they (SXSW/city/state) chose to prioritize profits/economic viability over health and safety.

    A SIGNIFICANTLY SCALED-BACK SXSW (VOLUNTARY OR OTHERWISE): This seems like the most likely scenario. Cutting the # of days SXSW stretches across, offering full refunds and/or helping cover costs of sponsors/venues/planners that choose not to participate are probably options on the table. There’s also probably ways that a lot of SXSW programming could be live-streamed in front of small audiences or no audiences at all. The problem with a scaled-back SXSW is that it creates too many perceived bad guys- the court of public opinion will weigh in on both those entities that cancel and those that don’t. While SXSW would be fully opt-in on every level in this scenario, it’s not clear if that’s sustainable: would as smaller SXSW actually decrease public safety risks or lessen the impact on already-frantically overworked public health professionals? Would SXSW be even less safe if the only participants were people less likely to be concerned about the potential risk? And again, as a practical consideration given the number of flights, hotel rooms, venue rentals etc. at play, wouldn’t canceling outright with as much warning as possible mitigate some of those losses more than a play-it-by-ear opt-in scaled-back approach. RE: SXSW music, imagine the impact on the venues of a rash of party cancellations: take away high rental fees and big bar guaranteed tabs and you’ve taken away the tide that lifts the boats for a fragile set of year-round music clubs. Maybe they have deposits for those events? But would they see anything near what they would’ve if SXSW is opt-in-or cancelled? Not likely. If a lot of the thinking driving these decisions seems too cold, too calculated, too economically driven, it might be because they are and it’s certainly how they’ll be perceived down the line if the worst (more spread directly traced to SXSW) were to happen.

    SXSW IS CANCELLED: Imagine that? The only real winner would be the economic impact firms that would make a fortune surveying the fallout and issuing white papers for years to come. Or would the big winner be Austin’s public safety, the folks that chose to prioritize it (SXSW Inc, the city and the county) and the credit they’d get for acting with an abundance of caution? Then again, SXSW is too big a beast with too many moving parts to turn on a dime: people would still honor travel commitments they can’t get out of or refunded, bands would like still want to play because of tour routing and some not-so-small element of pop-up salvage-what-you-can unofficial festival would pop up in it’s place, only without direct lines of communication to the city/country and the safeguards/alert-system you’d expect from the real SXSW Inc. What if canceling SXSW for safety yields a less safe, less organized not-SXSW?

    To cancel SXSW, it would seem SXSW need a consensus of the nation’s best infectious disease experts to lay out in laypeople’s terms the what-ifs. The optics of caution and the goodwill SXSW would engender for a buoyant/bountiful 2021 return are probably less measurable than the cold hard losses, but probably no less valuable for SXSW and its ecosystem’s continued survival. But again, you’re probably looking at local businesses closing, workforce layoffs and the serious impact of a lack of seasonal lift for everybody from rideshare drivers to service industry professionals, from hotel doormen to coffee shop baristas. But the question isn’t so much what if the virus’ spread within Austin was inevitable anyway and we canceled SXSW, but what if it’s not and we didn’t?

    This much is clear: it's infinitely easier to jump on an internet bandwagon and sign a petition than to really process and weigh the risks and ramifications for any of the three options. Also clear: the petition, the press, and the optics of any of these three decisions can’t be factors in deciding whether to choose what’s behind doors A, B or C. Faith in giant corporate entities and city/state governments to act responsibly is at an all-time low. But this is the time for faith; we’ve got to believe, and have no proof otherwise, that SXSW Inc, the city and the county’s elected officials and paid staff are in high-level crisis-management war-room-style consultations with the proper public health experts, weighing their advice and attempting to find the most responsible decision. That the whole situation is so fluid on a scientific and geographical scale doesn’t help. But because of the impact of any of these three decisions, embracing the one SXSW and the city/county come too- while of course doing what’s right by you as an individual- is going to be important. You can believe both that COVID-19 is real and stands to be real dangerous and that SXSW is a $335-million ecosystem too much of Austin has a stake in to casually dismiss. What’s going to happen is going to happen. How we react to that is all we control. But for the first time in forever, nobody is headed into this SXSW season lightly or without a nervous heart.

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    I'm not in management for health but this instance I can offer this:

    Retail chains are running out of medical facemasks and in some instances are going towards hardware/shop masks to try to meet demand for customers. Also, sanitizers are flying out the shelf.

    I'll be either out of the city for training but this isn't comforting at all and certainly risky.
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    here is the most recent info about the virus. very complete info with symptoms and stats from the world health organization. https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/c...erts_to_china/

    The WHO has sent a team of international experts to China to investigate the situation, including Clifford Lane, Clinical Director at the US National Institutes of Health. Here is the press conference on Youtube and the final report of the commission as PDF after they visited Beijing, Wuhan, Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Chengdu. Here are some interesting facts about Covid that I have not yet read in the media:

    When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it was most often (78-85%) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person. Transmission by fine aerosols in the air over long distances is not one of the main causes of spread. Most of the 2,055 infected hospital workers were either infected at home or in the early phase of the outbreak in Wuhan when hospital safeguards were not raised yet.

    5% of people who are diagnosed with Covid require artificial respiration. Another 15% need to breathe in highly concentrated oxygen - and not just for a few days. The duration from the beginning of the disease until recovery is 3 to 6 weeks on average for these severe and critical patients (compared to only 2 weeks for the mildly ill). The mass and duration of the treatments overburdened the existing health care system in Wuhan many times over. The province of Hubei, whose capital is Wuhan, had 65,596 infected persons so far. A total of 40,000 employees were sent to Hubei from other provinces to help fight the epidemic. 45 hospitals in Wuhan are caring for Covid patients, 6 of which are for patients in critical condition and 39 are caring for seriously ill patients and for infected people over the age of 65. Two makeshift hospitals with 2,600 beds were built within a short time. 80% of the infected have mild disease, ten temporary hospitals were set up in gymnasiums and exhibition halls for those.

    China can now produce 1.6 million test kits for the novel coronavirus per week. The test delivers a result on the same day. Across the country, anyone who goes to the doctor with a fever is screened for the virus: In Guangdong province, far from Wuhan, 320,000 people have been tested, and 0.14% of those were positive for the virus.

    The vast majority of those infected sooner or later develop symptoms. Cases of people in whom the virus has been detected and who do not have symptoms at that time are rare - and most of them fall ill in the next few days.

    The most common symptoms are fever (88%) and dry cough (68%). Exhaustion (38%), expectoration of mucus when coughing (33%), shortness of breath (18%), sore throat (14%), headaches (14%), muscle aches (14%), chills (11%) are also common. Less frequent are nausea and vomiting (5%), stuffy nose (5%) and diarrhoea (4%). Running nose is not a symptom of Covid.

    An examination of 44,672 infected people in China showed a fatality rate of 3.4%. Fatality is strongly influenced by age, pre-existing conditions, gender, and especially the response of the health care system. All fatality figures reflect the state of affairs in China up to 17 February, and everything could be quite different in the future elsewhere.

    Healthcare system: 20% of infected people in China needed hospital treatment for weeks. China has hospital beds to treat 0.4% of the population at the same time - other developed countries have between 0.1% and 1.3% and most of these beds are already occupied with people who have other diseases. The most important thing is firstly to aggressively contain the spread of the virus in order to keep the number of seriously ill Covid patients low and secondly to increase the number of beds (including material and personnel) until there is enough for the seriously ill. China also tested various treatment methods for the unknown disease and the most successful ones were implemented nationwide. Thanks to this response, the fatality rate in China is now lower than a month ago.

    Pre-existing conditions: The fatality rate for those infected with pre-existing cardiovascular disease in China was 13.2%. It was 9.2% for those infected with high blood sugar levels (uncontrolled diabetes), 8.4% for high blood pressure, 8% for chronic respiratory diseases and 7.6% for cancer. Infected persons without a relevant previous illness died in 1.4% of cases.

    Age: The younger you are, the less likely you are to be infected and the less likely you are to fall seriously ill if you do get infected:

    Age % of population % of infected Fatality
    0-9 12.0% 0,9% 0 as of now
    10-19 11.6% 1.2% 0.1%
    20-29 13.5% 8.1% 0.2%
    30-39 15.6% 17.0% 0.2%
    40-49 15.6% 19.2% 0.4%
    50-59 15.0% 22.4% 1.3%
    60-69 10.4% 19.2% 3.6%
    70-79 4.7% 8.8% 8.0%
    80+ 1.8% 3.2% 14.8%
    Read: Out of all people who live in China, 13.5% are between 20 and 29 years old. Out of those who were infected in China, 8.1% were in this age group (this does not mean that 8.1% of people between 20 and 29 become infected). This means that the likelihood of someone at this age to catch the infection is somewhat lower compared to the average. And of those who caught the infection in this age group, 0.2% died.

    Gender: Women catch the disease just as often as men. But only 2.8% of Chinese women who were infected died from the disease, while 4.7% of the infected men died. The disease appears to be not more severe in pregnant women than in others. In 9 examined births of infected women, the children were born by caesarean section and healthy without being infected themselves. The women were infected in the last trimester of pregnancy. What effect an infection in the first or second trimester has on embryos is currently unclear as these children are still unborn.

    The new virus is genetically 96% identical to a known coronavirus in bats and 86-92% identical to a coronavirus in pangolin. Therefore, the transmission of a mutated virus from animals to humans is the most likely cause of the appearance of the new virus.

    Since the end of January, the number of new coronavirus diagnoses in China has been steadily declining (shown here as a graph) with now only 329 new diagnoses within the last day - one month ago it was around 3,000 a day. "This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real," the report says. The authors conclude this from their own experience on site, declining hospital visits in the affected regions, the increasing number of unoccupied hospital beds, and the problems of Chinese scientists to recruit enough newly infected for the clinical studies of the numerous drug trials. Here is the relevant part of the press conference about the decline assessment.

    One of the important reasons for containing the outbreak is that China is interviewing all infected people nationwide about their contact persons and then tests those. There are 1,800 teams in Wuhan to do this, each with at least 5 people. But the effort outside of Wuhan is also big. In Shenzhen, for example, the infected named 2,842 contact persons, all of whom were found, testing is now completed for 2,240, and 2.8% of those had contracted the virus. In Sichuan province, 25,493 contact persons were named, 25,347 (99%) were found, 23,178 have already been examined and 0.9% of them were infected. In the province of Guangdong, 9,939 contacts were named, all found, 7,765 are already examined and 4.8% of them were infected. That means: If you have direct personal contact with an infected person, the probability of infection is between 1% and 5%.

    Finally, a few direct quotes from the report:

    "China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic. In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history. China’s uncompromising and rigorous use of non-pharmaceutical measures to contain transmission of the COVID-19 virus in multiple settings provides vital lessons for the global response. This rather unique and unprecedented public health response in China reversed the escalating cases in both Hubei, where there has been widespread community transmission, and in the importation provinces, where family clusters appear to have driven the outbreak."

    "Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China. These are the only measures that are currently proven to interrupt or minimize transmission chains in humans. Fundamental to these measures is extremely proactive surveillance to immediately detect cases, very rapid diagnosis and immediate case isolation, rigorous tracking and quarantine of close contacts, and an exceptionally high degree of population understanding and acceptance of these measures."

    "COVID-19 is spreading with astonishing speed; COVID-19 outbreaks in any setting have very serious consequences; and there is now strong evidence that non-pharmaceutical interventions can reduce and even interrupt transmission. Concerningly, global and national preparedness planning is often ambivalent about such interventions. However, to reduce COVID-19 illness and death, near-term readiness planning must embrace the large-scale implementation of high-quality, non-pharmaceutical public health measures. These measures must fully incorporate immediate case detection and isolation, rigorous close contact tracing and monitoring/quarantine, and direct population/community engagement."

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    yea a mess is cleanable and in addition to enhancing Austin's cultural cachet, SXSW injects hundreds of millions of dollars into the local economy. SXSW's 2018 economic impact on the Austin economy totaled $350.6 million.

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    As a matter of fact, I go see live music almost every single day, year round. sxsw is a special and wonderful time to live here, we are lucky to have it and get to enjoy a world class event. i look forward to it every year and drop plenty of money seeing live music, probably more than 99% of the people on this board. you're talking to the wrong girl. I have been doing sxsw since the beginning, been every year and LOVE the exciting week and partake of all the music from all over the world. it's one of the things I love about Austin and I am a huge supporter of sxsw and local music. Not being snide when I say, I bet you'd be happier in Williamson county hun. Travis county is full of music lovers, has been since before the 60's, and people who support our vibrant, thriving local music scene. I have lived here for over 40 years and keep living here because of the musical opportunities. sxsw is a blessing to this town and its cash inflow keeps this town healthy, growing into a clean local tourist industry and sxsw makes it better, unique and FUN> LIVE MUSIC IS AUSTIN It is what we are made of and why we are special. long live sxsw.

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    Interesting how people are buying up masks when every health organization says it won't help anyway.

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    OBE - overcome by events.

    SXSW has been cancelled by mayoral action.

    fwiw, many local folks in the greater Austin metro has plans both to attend and to display, exhibit, sell, etc.

    No one know if any purveyor businesses will get refunds, but certainly all of them can use whatever business y'all can send their way.

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    maybe, maybe not

    Not to be the buzz kill here but...
    Primarily only Big Tech and Big Corp get to share the millions in profits.
    Very little of it is spent on the little people.
    A good portion of the revenue is spent on advertising.
    Ask any start up band what it costs them to even get a decent gig...The flight, the overpriced room, the food, the gear, etc etc etc.
    It was cool for the first 5 runs, when most of the bands that came were here to get a label gig. Now it's only labels.
    More people will die in the U.S. from automobile accidents this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RamTheJam View Post
    Not to be the buzz kill here but...
    Primarily only Big Tech and Big Corp get to share the millions in profits.
    Very little of it is spent on the little people.
    A good portion of the revenue is spent on advertising.
    Ask any start up band what it costs them to even get a decent gig...The flight, the overpriced room, the food, the gear, etc etc etc.
    It was cool for the first 5 runs, when most of the bands that came were here to get a label gig. Now it's only labels.
    More people will die in the U.S. from automobile accidents this year.
    Agreed. Last time it was fun was when Amy Whitehouse played at La Zona Rosa... and then I saw her day drinking at a dirty 6th bar the next day. Thomas Dolby playing Blinded Me With Science in a small room at the Convention Center. Got over commercialized when they extended it beyond music, IMO.

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    That escalated quickly

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    pay no attention, he is a well known troll who keeps getting banned and popping up with a new name. obviously has NO life since he finds that fun and amusing. he will be getting the ban hammer soon...again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue Nami View Post
    pay no attention, he is a well known troll who keeps getting banned and popping up with a new name. obviously has NO life since he finds that fun and amusing. he will be getting the ban hammer soon...again.
    Not just banned, but posts removed Thanks staff!

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