No shows and cancels

[tweetie-bird]

Hey, I talked to a very hot looking traveling provider today who told me she was leaving New Orleans very disappointed due to MANY no shows and cancellations, and after making a substantial investment to visit that town. I was talking to her about visiting Baton Rouge, since I would love to make her acquaintance, but she's so unhappy about her New Orleans experience, she's not interested in cumming over to BR any time soon. I'm not gonna say who she is, but she provides a XXX experience.

She may just be an isolated case, but when our providers have a bad time down in New Orleans, I can understand why they might want to split without cumming up here to BR -- and this sucks for all us horny dawgs here in the Red Stick! Guys, what the fuck is going on in New Orleans? If ya'll can't keep an appointment, please don't make it...

This is a general appeal to all you wonderful providers who we have loved here in BR -- please don't ignore us just because you're not having fun anymore in New Orleans!!! There are a LOT of very nice guys here in Baton Rouge (and you KNOW who we are) who miss you and want to play -- and who will show up as scheduled if you cum to our town!

Anyone who wants to chime in to agree/disagree, please do...

tweetie

[cheeto]

its not just for providers,my personal business has suffered lately from people doing the same to me. they call and set up a appt. then dont even call to reschedule.we get to their home or business and they say,OH!!! I FORGOT, were gonna wait, we dont have the money now. after I spend the money for fuel,employees,etc.people dont care about whos losing out when they dont keep appts.

[atlcomedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tweetie-bird @ Mar 30 2009, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Hey, I talked to a very hot looking traveling provider today who told me she was leaving New Orleans very disappointed due to MANY no shows and cancellations, and after making a substantial investment to visit that town. I was talking to her about visiting Baton Rouge, since I would love to make her acquaintance, but she&#39;s so unhappy about her New Orleans experience, she&#39;s not interested in cumming over to BR any time soon. I&#39;m not gonna say who she is, but she provides a XXX experience.

She may just be an isolated case, but when our providers have a bad time down in New Orleans, I can understand why they might want to split without cumming up here to BR -- and this sucks for all us horny dawgs here in the Red Stick! Guys, what the fuck is going on in New Orleans? If ya&#39;ll can&#39;t keep an appointment, please don&#39;t make it...

This is a general appeal to all you wonderful providers who we have loved here in BR -- please don&#39;t ignore us just because you&#39;re not having fun anymore in New Orleans!!! There are a LOT of very nice guys here in Baton Rouge (and you KNOW who we are) who miss you and want to play -- and who will show up as scheduled if you cum to our town!

Anyone who wants to chime in to agree/disagree, please do...

tweetie[/b]

I obviously can&#39;t comment specifically on your unnamed touring provider, but I&#39;ve found that often touring gals get pissed and frustrated after unsuccessful tours but after a little probing, it appears they own quite a bit of the blame as a result of how they plan, advertise and execute their trip or simply have unrealistic expectations.

First, cancellations are part of the game. NCNS&#39;s suck but will happen. Manage your expectations accordingly.

Placing an ad and waiting for the phone to ring is not enough.

Things as simple as staying in the wrong hotel or part of town.

Not knowing the local market (rates, minumums) or locally favored websites, etc.

And then things totally out of your control, like the weather, can actually have an impact.

There are a lot of great threads on this on ASPD.....

[SeaDog]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (atlcomedy @ Mar 30 2009, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I obviously can&#39;t comment specifically on your unnamed touring provider, but I&#39;ve found that often touring gals get pissed and frustrated after unsuccessful tours but after a little probing, it appears they own quite a bit of the blame as a result of how they plan, advertise and execute their trip or simply have unrealistic expectations.[/b]

<span style="font-family:Arial">So true. The last thing you ever hear is a provider blaming herself for her lack of business.

We&#39;ve all heard stories about guys NC or NS, but very often it is the girls own poor business practices that are to blame. Not always - but more often than not.

Tweetie-Bird, you would do everyone a favor by letting us know who you are talking about. Let&#39;s see if any dawgs chime in with a different take on the situation.

Just my thoughts.



SeaDog
</span>

[juan2fork]

Guys like me who sometimes have to significantly travel to see a lady (only a few actually visit Lake Charles) need advance notice to schedule their escape. An ad saying "I&#39;m here today" generally doesn&#39;t help me.

[tweetie-bird]

ValerieXXX was who I talked with yesterday about her recent bad experience in New Orleans. I&#39;ve never met her, and I don&#39;t know much about her, but she was really disappointed and upset about the way she felt she was treated.

Seadog, I expected there would be lots of comments about how its really the providers fault, and how they never want to own up to their own shortcomings. But sometimes it&#39;s really NOT their fault...sometimes guys schedule and then cancel, or don&#39;t even show. I&#39;ve tried REALLY hard not to do that, especially when dealing with a lady traveling in from elsewhere. Or if I do have to cancel, I give as much notice as possible, and I call to let her know how sorry and disappointed I am to miss seeing her. A little thought sometimes goes a long way when dealing with a REAL person -- which generally (but not always) is the difference between independent providers and some of the CL/agency babes we&#39;ve all dealt with from time to time.

Many of the independent ladies I&#39;ve seen are genuinely intelligent, decent women with "real" lives (just like us) who are simply making extra $$$ to support themselves and their families and/or who really enjoy hobbying (also just like us). They&#39;re interesting and fun to be with, even if only for an hour or two at a time. Most on this board may disagree, but I view many of these women as special gifts who&#39;ve made my life happier and a lot more interesting! I do NOT simply view them as strange pieces of ass -- OK, I admit they&#39;re also THAT, and I love that exciting part. :D

I simply believe if we treat them decently, most of them will certainly treat us the same way...

tb





<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SeaDog @ Mar 31 2009, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<span style="font-family:Arial">So true. The last thing you ever hear is a provider blaming herself for her lack of business.

We&#39;ve all heard stories about guys NC or NS, but very often it is the girls own poor business practices that are to blame. Not always - but more often than not.

Tweetie-Bird, you would do everyone a favor by letting us know who you are talking about. Let&#39;s see if any dawgs chime in with a different take on the situation.

Just my thoughts.



SeaDog
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[SeaDog]

<span style="font-family:Arial">Only twice have I had to cancel a date at the last minute, and both times I insisted on paying a substantial cancellation fee.

When I book a date in advance, I keep in contact with the lady right up until the appointed time. A friendly correspondence helps both of us to feel more comfortable with each other, as well as making sure that we are on the same page as far as the scheduled meet is concerned.

My business depends on my word. When I tell someone I&#39;m going to do something that is my commitment to them and I will not break it without a VERY good reason.

Unfortunately, many people don&#39;t fell that way. Like others on here, I have sent a crew out at my expense to start a job only to find that the customer has changed their mind. If that customer wants to reschedule, I will not trust them a second time to follow thru. I get a substantial deposit or I don&#39;t do the job.

The ladies have their locker room; I would hope that they use it to put out the word about dawgs that are unreliable, rude or just inconsiderate. Guys like that are a poor reflection on all of us.

If you talk to Valerie again why don&#39;t you ask her to reply to thiis thread and let us know about her experience in NOLA. The problem(s) will never get fixed if we don&#39;t have the facts.



SeaDog</span>

[atlcomedy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tweetie-bird @ Mar 31 2009, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

ValerieXXX was who I talked with yesterday about her recent bad experience in New Orleans. I&#39;ve never met her, and I don&#39;t know much about her, but she was really disappointed and upset about the way she felt she was treated.

Seadog, I expected there would be lots of comments about how its really the providers fault, and how they never want to own up to their own shortcomings. But sometimes it&#39;s really NOT their fault...sometimes guys schedule and then cancel, or don&#39;t even show. I&#39;ve tried REALLY hard not to do that, especially when dealing with a lady traveling in from elsewhere. Or if I do have to cancel, I give as much notice as possible, and I call to let her know how sorry and disappointed I am to miss seeing her. A little thought sometimes goes a long way when dealing with a REAL person -- which generally (but not always) is the difference between independent providers and some of the CL/agency babes we&#39;ve all dealt with from time to time.

Many of the independent ladies I&#39;ve seen are genuinely intelligent, decent women with "real" lives (just like us) who are simply making extra $$$ to support themselves and their families and/or who really enjoy hobbying (also just like us). They&#39;re interesting and fun to be with, even if only for an hour or two at a time. Most on this board may disagree, but I view many of these women as special gifts who&#39;ve made my life happier and a lot more interesting! I do NOT simply view them as strange pieces of ass -- OK, I admit they&#39;re also THAT, and I love that exciting part. :D

I simply believe if we treat them decently, most of them will certainly treat us the same way...

tb[/b]

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tb -- appreciate the sympathy and compassion you have for your companions -- that is great. I&#39;ve worked with, in civilian life, a lot of "great people" that were nice as can be, worked hard and had personal situations I sympathized with, but were just poor business people.

Organizing and executing a tour all by yourself is not an easy task. Not everyone can do it well.

(This is a general comment, not specific to Vxxx)

[Tia Travels]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (atlcomedy @ Mar 30 2009, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

... it appears they own quite a bit of the blame as a result of how they plan, advertise and execute their trip or simply have unrealistic expectations.
This may be true, but when their method of EXECUTING their trips brings in quality hobbyists and KEPT appts in the majority of other areas she visits, the provider is not to blame in this area. It&#39;s the hobbyists.

First, cancellations are part of the game. NCNS&#39;s suck but will happen. Manage your expectations accordingly.
Yes NCNSs are a part of the game, but most gents have the courtesy to call and cancel ahead of time. But to go to a city and have almost 95% of your visits be cancellations or NCNSs (like NOLA), just reflects the kind of hobbyists you have in town. Not necessarily the woman and her business. I travel to a lot of towns and sure...there are cancellations here & there or once in a great while--NCNSs, but for almost every appt. made in NOLA (when I was there once) to be a NCNS, cancellation, and/or donation bickering gents to occur, that is just awful. I know some ladies do well there but I hear about a lot who don&#39;t.

Placing an ad and waiting for the phone to ring is not enough.
True, but some ladies DO post in advance and don&#39;t wait til the last minute to play an ad the day before.

Things as simple as staying in the wrong hotel or part of town.
This is a good point, but when told about the hotel when given last minute instructions, the gent should tell the lady at THAT time....umm, that&#39;s really not a good area and I can&#39;t make it (rather than NCNSing.) Sometimes, even before the gent knows the location, there are cancellations. So saying she&#39;s staying in a bad part of town or wrong hotel won&#39;t fit in that situation.

Not knowing the local market (rates, minumums) or locally favored websites, etc.
This is true, but ASPD is big in NOLA and alot of the NCNS, or donation bickering/bartering gents, or cancellations come from this site.

And then things totally out of your control, like the weather, can actually have an impact.
True. I feel bad for the folks in that part of the weather map. My experience with NOLA was the year before Katrina, so I know it wasn&#39;t the economy or weather. I believe it was just a poor class of hobbyists in that area. NOTE: I am not speaking about the gents in that area who KEEP their appts., who INSIST on giving/offering cancellation fees, and pay well.....I&#39;m speaking to those others...and you know who you are.
[/b]

Normally when traveling to a new city for the first time, I will give that city at least 3 tries...to see if it&#39;s good at least 2 of those 3 or bad 2 of those 3. If good obviously, I keep it on my schedule. I realize that bad weather or coming in on the wrong time of the month or week/weekend sometimes accounts for one of those bad times, but if a town is slow 2 of those 3, I won&#39;t return. My experience with NOLA the first time was so rude and sucky (except for 1 hobbyist there), that I unfortunately didn&#39;t care to give the town any other return visits. (I know some of you gents are probably saying "Good, we wouldn&#39;t want you here anyway." And if so, you are entitled to your opinion but more than likely, you are probably the type of hobbyist I speak of). I still visit BR though.

Tia

[wicked milf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (escg @ Mar 31 2009, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Normally when traveling to a new city for the first time, I will give that city at least 3 tries...to see if it&#39;s good at least 2 of those 3 or bad 2 of those 3. If good obviously, I keep it on my schedule. I realize that bad weather or coming in on the wrong time of the month or week/weekend sometimes accounts for one of those bad times, but if a town is slow 2 of those 3, I won&#39;t return. My experience with NOLA the first time was so rude and sucky (except for 1 hobbyist there), that I unfortunately didn&#39;t care to give the town any other return visits. (I know some of you gents are probably saying "Good, we wouldn&#39;t want you here anyway." And if so, you are entitled to your opinion but more than likely, you are probably the type of hobbyist I speak of). I still visit BR though.

Tia[/b]

Nice response, Tia.

I travel a lot. And waiting by the phone is NOT something I do. Those whom have contacted me, know I screen!
So I will always post weeks in advance. Give ya&#39;ll notice so you can check your schedules. Get the screening done and
see who has a serious interest in meeting.
And have those gents. Confirm and reconfirm. Or I don&#39;t make the trip.

I&#39;m looking forward to visiting next week and hope the gents follow through.

[atlcomedy]

Tia,

I agree that a provider that regularly tours successfully, does the appropriate upfront work and then has a real poor trip somewhere doesn&#39;t mean she&#39;s incompetent. She either just hit a city full of jerks, had bad timing, or the guys just weren&#39;t interested in what she was selling. If she&#39;s got other cities where people like what she&#39;s selling, trying to "push water uphill" in that bad city probably doesn&#39;t make good business sense.

[Tia Travels]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (atlcomedy @ Mar 31 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Tia,

I agree that a provider that regularly tours successfully, does the appropriate upfront work and then has a real poor trip somewhere doesn&#39;t mean she&#39;s incompetent. She either just hit a city full of jerks, had bad timing, or the guys just weren&#39;t interested in what she was selling. If she&#39;s got other cities where people like what she&#39;s selling, trying to "push water uphill" in that bad city probably doesn&#39;t make good business sense.[/b]

I agree and can understand if the guys weren&#39;t interested in what I am selling. That&#39;s fine. Then make no appts. But to make appts and then no show or cancel or bicker about the donation is what bothered me about NOLA.

[SeaDog]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (escg @ Mar 31 2009, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I agree and can understand if the guys weren&#39;t interested in what I am selling. That&#39;s fine. Then make no appts. But to make appts and then no show or cancel or bicker about the donation is what bothered me about NOLA.[/b]

This isn&#39;t the first time we&#39;ve heard this. Question is, what to do about it?

[Tia Travels]

Maybe start a yahoo vouch club type thing.
No messages are exchanged.
Just guys become members if they feel they are reliable appt. keepers and girls are then encouraged to add a "YES I vouch for him" to his profile info. somewhere.

This way, when girls come to NOLA, they can go on this list and check the gent who&#39;s making the appt. and see if he&#39;s reliably vouched or not. If so, they can then schedule with confidence. If not, they can still schedule, but they should know that there&#39;s a chance he can NCNS or have potential problems.

Call it the "RELIABLE & RESPECTFUL GENTLEMEN&#39;S GROUP" (RRGG)

There would have to be a way to keep guys from pretending to be women and vouching themselves. Maybe have some respected local provider or one who travels there often have this NOLA list. Make it NOLA exclusive. Then she can verify the gents who ask to join that they are whom they claim to be and women who join or write in also are given his basic info. like email, phone and handle....to double check.

I don&#39;t know...just an idea but some sort of list. Or maybe, just start a thread here and call it the same thing: RELIABLE & RESPECTFUL GENTLEMEN OF NOLA. Gents can post the following: "Yes I&#39;m respectful of my appointments in NOLA." Girls can comment on the thread and say "YES I&#39;ve scheduled with him before. I vouch for him." Or if many men have added their names to the list, she can post with her list "Yes I vouch for Mr. X, Mr. Y, Mr. V".

Keep this at the top of the NOLA section and then girls who travel there can read and see that certain guys will be good appt. keepers if they schedule. If a guy has added to the thread but he has no providers stepping into the ring for him to vouch for him, he needs to either have someone say something for him or the provider needs to take no vouches yet into consideration when scheduling.

This way seeing a post from the handle of the gent and the handle of the lady should be a decent vouching for the most part. Girls are STILL encouraged to screen somehow. In other words, write the ladies who vouched for him to double check that they indeed saw him and no one used their profile to vouch without her permission.

Tia

[wicked milf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (escg @ Mar 31 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Maybe start a yahoo vouch club type thing.
No messages are exchanged.
Just guys become members if they feel they are reliable appt. keepers and girls are then encouraged to add a "YES I vouch for him" to his profile info. somewhere.

This way, when girls come to NOLA, they can go on this list and check the gent who&#39;s making the appt. and see if he&#39;s reliably vouched or not. If so, they can then schedule with confidence. If not, they can still schedule, but they should know that there&#39;s a chance he can NCNS or have potential problems.

Call it the "RELIABLE & RESPECTFUL GENTLEMEN&#39;S GROUP" (RRGG)

There would have to be a way to keep guys from pretending to be women and vouching themselves. Maybe have some respected local provider or one who travels there often have this NOLA list. Make it NOLA exclusive. Then she can verify the gents who ask to join that they are whom they claim to be and women who join or write in also are given his basic info. like email, phone and handle....to double check.

I don&#39;t know...just an idea but some sort of list. Or maybe, just start a thread here and call it the same thing: RELIABLE & RESPECTFUL GENTLEMEN OF NOLA. Gents can post the following: "Yes I&#39;m respectful of my appointments in NOLA." Girls can comment on the thread and say "YES I&#39;ve scheduled with him before. I vouch for him." Or if many men have added their names to the list, she can post with her list "Yes I vouch for Mr. X, Mr. Y, Mr. V".

Keep this at the top of the NOLA section and then girls who travel there can read and see that certain guys will be good appt. keepers if they schedule. If a guy has added to the thread but he has no providers stepping into the ring for him to vouch for him, he needs to either have someone say something for him or the provider needs to take no vouches yet into consideration when scheduling.

This way seeing a post from the handle of the gent and the handle of the lady should be a decent vouching for the most part. Girls are STILL encouraged to screen somehow. In other words, write the ladies who vouched for him to double check that they indeed saw him and no one used their profile to vouch without her permission.

Tia[/b]

That sounds like something that *could* work. But Not something I would trust.
As you mentioned, The guys could pose as females and vouch for themselves.

I ask *questions* during my screening process. So I can pretty much tell if the guy is a game player
or if he is a true hobbyist looking for companionship. I eliminate the game players and only see
the ones who follow through and want to have fun. My visits to the cities I travel to are based
on the above.
I&#39;ve been to New Orleans a few times in the past and have not yet encountered any issues.


Tia,
One thing to look at.......is who is vouching for the guys you see?
Have you seen an influx of NC/NS or cancellations from the guys who might of used the same lady as a ref?
That would be something to keep in mind.
I had that issue one time and the guys were vouched by the same lady.
When I travel to another city & state. I require non-local provider ref.
The feedback seems to be more honest & accurate.