I'd like to know what guys think about this..

[Tracey P]

Im a big time GFE type..Its just my personality..I do not consider myself PSE at all. In the heat of the moment, I may be inclined to do kinky things but that depends on the person, the circumstances, how much Ive had to drink :) , etc. I certainly dont 'advertise' that I offer PSE activities.

Recently, I met someone who asked for a lot of PSE activities, and I spent the evening telling him no, nope, uh-uh, no way, hell no...etc. Luckily, he did not force me to do anything that I did not want to do.

I'd never had anyone ask me to do the things he asked me to do..He was wayyyy out in left field. I would have thought that someone with unconventional requests/fetishes would read the reviews to make sure a girl would do those things (I guess ASPD being down makes that harder) but there are definately girls who make it pretty obvious, if not outright say, that they are PSE.

Thoughts on this from the guys perspective?

[Ben Franklin]

Your boundries are to be respected and yes without reviews it does make it more difficult to figure thngs out. Add to that some girls will never see you if you ask about services, some will complain that you didn't ask upfront what's a guy to do????

Next I'd ask what is GFE/PSE to you? Maybe you could lay that out in your ad... To me if there are less than three chickens and no more than one goat in the room it is still GFE more than one goat or if it's M/G/F/G/M/F it's more than likely PSE :P

Oh wait, you haven't posted an ad.... sorry.

[lizardking]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tracey P @ Mar 11 2009, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I&#39;d never had anyone ask me to do the things he asked me to do..He was wayyyy out in left field.[/b]

In order to provide any meaningful response to your question, you really have to give us some idea regarding the nature of the requests. "GFE" and "PSE" are general, subjective terms. If, for example, he simply asked you to take off your biohazard suit during your session, then, no, I don&#39;t think that would be out of line.

[Tracey P]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ben Franklin @ Mar 11 2009, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Your boundries are to be respected and yes without reviews it does make it more difficult to figure thngs out. Add to that some girls will never see you if you ask about services, some will complain that you didn&#39;t ask upfront what&#39;s a guy to do????

Next I&#39;d ask what is GFE/PSE to you? Maybe you could lay that out in your ad... To me if there are less than three chickens and no more than one goat in the room it is still GFE more than one goat or if it&#39;s M/G/F/G/M/F it&#39;s more than likely PSE :P

Oh wait, you haven&#39;t posted an ad.... sorry.[/b]

LMAO! Whats m/g/f/g/m/f?

Yes GFE/PSE are subjective, but for me and most ladies (I assume) pee fetish, greek, prostate massage, COF, etc are off the menu unless their ad specifically states or implies that they are PSE/fetish friendly. Thats what I meant. Those are not the type of things guys (who I know) usually request and theres nothing on my ad to imply that Im into that type of stuff

Now let me clarify...I have no problem peeing on a guy, but him peeing on me...I DONT THINK SO!!!

(That last part was a joke)

[16YearItch]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tracey P @ Mar 12 2009, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Now let me clarify...I have no problem peeing on a guy, but him peeing on me...I DONT THINK SO!!![/b]

I&#39;m assuming he would pay you for the privilege? Or maybe if he was on fire?/snort

As has been stated many times before, the lines are blurry.
There are ladies who advertise as GFE who will do a BBBJ... and the rest of the letters I don&#39;t remember (Think of it as oysters, without Tabasco),
and ladies who advertise as PSE who won&#39;t.

But really, even if you posted an entire list of "I Do and I Don&#39;t"s, there are still hound dogs that would be asking for more. I don&#39;t want to get all psychological, but I think it has to do with why the guy is hobbying in the first place. Personally, I enjoy spending an hour with a beautiful woman with a happy ending. But there are some guys who seem to want to carve another notch in the sixshooter, so to speak. They want to push the boundaries, just to be able to say, "Been there, done that"

I&#39;m sure this makes no sense now, but after 6 beers, it&#39;s f*g BRILLIANT!

[strong bad]

The "GFE vs "PSE" quandry may never be explained to the satisfaction of all. To me, GFE means the lady breathlessly asks for me to "cum in her mouth". While a PSE for me means the lady asks me to "blow my load all over her & down her throat". The soon to be ex Mrs. strongbad&#39;s version of "GFE vs PSE" was GFE meant leaving the lights off & PSE meant leaving them on.

[bullet0]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tracey P @ Mar 11 2009, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Im a big time GFE type..Its just my personality..I do not consider myself PSE at all. In the heat of the moment, I may be inclined to do kinky things but that depends on the person, the circumstances, how much Ive had to drink :) , etc. I certainly dont &#39;advertise&#39; that I offer PSE activities.[/b]

Reminds me of a couple of things:

"Difference between erotic and kinky...erotic involves a feather, kinky involves the whole chicken"

and

"It&#39;s only kinky the first time"

A lot has to do with your frame of reference. One man&#39;s kinky might be venturing beyond the missionary position while another might think Greek, COF, and a Golden Shower are the norm. For me, I like GFE (which I define as kissing, hugging, and BBBJ). But not too long ago, I was getting all that when the provider asked me for Greek. What was a guy to do?

[smyter]

IMHO, it never hurts to ask. If he was respectful and didn&#39;t press: no harm, no foul. I agree with BF, most providers will allow no questions. I believe the most frequent post is something like "If you ask detailed questions, I will hangup on you". We have been trained to this method. I guess the guy that you mentioned had a bad case of "wishful-thinking". Now if he calls back for another date, then I would really wonder.

[lizardking]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tracey P @ Mar 12 2009, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Yes GFE/PSE are subjective, but for me and most ladies (I assume) pee fetish, greek, prostate massage, COF, etc are off the menu[/b]

You&#39;re correct about the golden shower thing. (I guess I should say I ASSUME you&#39;re correct, because I really don&#39;t know.) As for greek, prostate massage, and COF, those - or some combination thereof -are regular fare on many girls&#39; menus. In all fairness to the guy that wants those services, until he asks, the answer is "no". And, as pointed out by others, he can&#39;t really ask until he&#39;s in the session. There is, of course, a difference between asking and demanding.

[blowpop]

As long as he was asking respectfully, and not demanding, I don&#39;t think he was out of bounds. Normally it&#39;s easier to get a feel for what a particular provider&#39;s sessions are like by reading reviews, and as we know that&#39;s an issue now.

As far as GFE vs. PSE, that&#39;s tough to define, especially since there&#39;s no consensus on what GFE means. Strong Bad&#39;s example (the first one, not the one with Mrs. SB) is as good of an example as any.

[ferdburf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tracey P @ Mar 11 2009, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Yes GFE/PSE are subjective, but for me and most ladies (I assume) pee fetish, greek, prostate massage, COF, etc are off the menu unless their ad specifically states or implies that they are PSE/fetish friendly. Thats what I meant. Those are not the type of things guys (who I know) usually request and theres nothing on my ad to imply that Im into that type of stuff[/b]

[ferdburf]

Maybe he read a post on TER by someone with the same name as yours, Tracey P. The post says that ebony Tracey P loves COF. Maybe he thought that was you, and he made lots of assumptions based on that. The post I&#39;m referring to is at http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_...;Messageid=2172

[Sexy Cougar]

Yeah! I am so glad that I am not the ONLY one that is a little confused about GFE/PSE.....

I am pretty new and I just have not been able to WRAP MY MIND AROUND posting my services in any ads. I just don&#39;t know how I can offer a service (such as Kissing) to ALL. What if there is no chemistry? I blame the Pretty Woman movie for that! LOL My thing is, when I meet with someone, and they ask my do&#39;s and dont&#39;s.....and say in this instance, I choose not to kiss. Why does the man think it is okay to HOUND me for the next 60 minutes to kiss him, when I have already, CLEARLY stated that was not an option?

My resolve......I do not see him again. I just don&#39;t feel that I should have to fight someone off for an hour, when I was upfront about the do&#39;s and don&#39;ts????

[CivilBarrister]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sexy Cougar @ Mar 12 2009, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Yeah! I am so glad that I am not the ONLY one that is a little confused about GFE/PSE.....

I am pretty new and I just have not been able to WRAP MY MIND AROUND posting my services in any ads. I just don&#39;t know how I can offer a service (such as Kissing) to ALL. What if there is no chemistry? I blame the Pretty Woman movie for that! LOL My thing is, when I meet with someone, and they ask my do&#39;s and dont&#39;s.....and say in this instance, I choose not to kiss. Why does the man think it is okay to HOUND me for the next 60 minutes to kiss him, when I have already, CLEARLY stated that was not an option?

My resolve......I do not see him again. I just don&#39;t feel that I should have to fight someone off for an hour, when I was upfront about the do&#39;s and don&#39;ts????[/b]

I agree - and it works both ways. If I don&#39;t feel chemistry, the session is usually less than stellar, and I won&#39;t want to kiss either.

GFE for me includes kissing, BBBJ, mutual sensual touching and DATY;

PSE - opens the door for most fetishes

[lizardking]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CivilBarrister @ Mar 12 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

PSE - opens the door for most fetishes[/b]

If I&#39;ve seen it in a porn flick, it&#39;s PSE. So hand me that rubber hose, stick in your butt plug, put on that Nixon mask, and grab your ankles! Where did the chicken get to?