What are your experiences with this as alternate sources of verification for newbies? Makes me a bit nervous for some reason. Curious of providers and hobbyists experiences/opinions.
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What are your experiences with this as alternate sources of verification for newbies? Makes me a bit nervous for some reason. Curious of providers and hobbyists experiences/opinions.
As soon as I see it, I move on. Sometimes you just gotta say no to yourself. If you really need to see her, make an appointment with a lady that will serve as a reference then go back and try again. Just not worth it.
Good luck
I understand the need to see the face of a newbie, who is unverified and un-vouched by anyone, who is only on this site for a month.
How else would you proof, that you are not LE? And that you are employed(have cash), clean, safe, drug free and not violent? If you know how, why don't you offer this information to her?!
Girls are asking, because they want to protect them self. Man refusing to answer, maybe, because they are dangerous and possibly could try to take advantage of someone, without consequences.
You should appreciate, that girls are doing they work, to keep you safe.
If you are not happy with her requests, find someone, who will do less - but that could be harmful/dangerous for you.
Do NOT send face pictures or employment of any kind.
Pm is best and safest. Why? Because the providers can research all your data and reviews here and you can pm each other from here.
The lady has the right to ask for anything she wishes in “her” screening process.
Gentleman have the right to refuse to comply and move along. Nothing is more dangerous than putting your personal information in the hands of someone you don’t know, and no sexual encounter is worth endangering your reputation, family, or livelihood. Remember, your personal safety is paramount.
This X 2. I absolutely respect the fact the Lady has the right to request such info but I am not sending Face pics or employment/LinkedIn information. If my P411history or References are not sufficient then both of us miss out.Quote:
Originally Posted by risn2theoccasion2
I personally will not send anyone any face picks. Nor will I FaceTime, or point to my LinkedIn, or show pay stubs.
I could take a picture of my ID, block-out all vital information and only show my face and partial name. As a provider, I can use this information, to find this person, in case if he hurt me. For my security only.
Walk a mile in other's shoes, to understand their behavior. What would you ask if you are a provider, who is about to invite a stranger in your house? What will scare you? What will make you relaxed and eager?!
Personally, I just run the phone number through an app that shows any reports on the guy. Sometimes it works sometimes it does it but bottom line is as many horror stories as I hear about the scheming, and robbing of Hobbyists it's the hobbyist who has more to lose. If my gut says no then it's no period. I also meet the client outside my building when they arrive so if alarms go off, I haven't given up room number and it's in the middle of a busy parking lot so chance of any harm being done is slim to none. and for the record if law enforcement is after you and wants to bust you, you will not be able to stop them. they can pass any screening question you throw at them. They are the police they have the methods. And it's a class B misdemeanor you're not going to go to prison for life unlessyou have things at your in call or on your person that are more serious than a class B misdemeanor. Another good thing to do is ask the gentleman to call and hear his voice. Alot of times you can tell a lot about someone by the intonations in their voice it always puts me at ease. as providers I know that we are busy and we don't have time for a long drawn out chat conversations or phone calls but sometimes if we take the time to listen to the person we're going to see for just a little bit we can kind of feel them out and see where they're coming from if there's anger in their words or in their voice if there's frustration etc etc it works for me a lot.
Providers:
What are your opinions about meeting with a prospective hobbyist for a meal? Say he/she buys you lunch at a restaurant, and that time is used to converse and get a read on each other?
Would you feel safe in that situation? Would this kind of interaction answer your concerns, at least enough for screening purposes?
I like the idea but there will be providers who would want to be paid for the time spent getting to know one another. Ffireman who was the very first person from Oh2 that I met ( he introduced me to this site and vouched for me) offered that very idea to me and for me that sealed the deal. He was willing to do whatever to make me comfortable. I would never ask for job information or and if I have ever asked for pic of someone's ID it was a last ditch effort to verify but always ask that all pertinent info be blacked out including last name ( if outcall, I ask for a piece of mail in person's name with any pertinent info blacked out) but this is rarely asked for because I believe compromise is best. I am still very aware of my surroundings and use every app and database I can to verify someone. But your intuition is always your best tool. If any provider gets a gnawing feeling that they shouldn't see someone, then she shouldn't see them. Hobbyists will have to accept and respect their decision if they don't want to screen the way that provider wants. I just feel sometimes it's a bit overkill and takes all the fun out of it all. So I try to make it seem effortless for the hobbyist because it just doesn't need to be so damn dramatic as all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnCherry
I totally agree with this post. If either party is not feeling it. Then both should move on. It sometimes stinks for me when a provider I have not seen before asks me for a pic. Which I totally understand. I just have share that due to discretion I cannot. And I get it and understand. And we both move on or she takes a chance based on references. And then you show your appreciation to the lovely provider and thank her. But a provider can and should require all the screening she will be comfortable with.
I appreciate your attitude. My thinking is that perhaps some providers will see a paid meal as some compensation, for doing something they otherwise would have done anyway (we all gotta eat!). But I understand some providers might not see it that way. And like you say, if the provider declines to screen using that method, their decision has to be respected.Quote:
Originally Posted by KellyDarlin
Do you think any provider would be offended if a hobbyist asked to screen this way? I realize that it is impossible to say what everyone would think and do in any given situation, but if you have a general sense one way or the other, I'd be interested to hear.
Offended probably not. They may feel put upon, and that's when the payment issue comes in. I have several clients who take me to lunch and I appreciate the gesture. I don't consider that BCD, it's a lovely way to get to know one another which makes BCD so much more gratifying and satisfying. As a screening tool I would love it or I've even had meet n greets with a few tentative clients where we just chit chat face to face, it's went well. I am not saying everyone should or would do this but I'm someone who tries to find a solution that meets both mine and potential clients needs. And I'm open to suggestions from potential clients on what would work for us both. It's really for me a case by case scenario, but I like to make it easy so we can get to the good stuff!!
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Originally Posted by KellyDarlin
Alot of common sense here! Completely agree, the hobbyist has far more to risk/lose. I have no idea what's in that room with you or in the bathroom or whatever. Screening to avoid LE is silly and naïve for the exact reasons you posted.
Anyone that would ask for real world info is an immediate no. I have a solid p411 record from reputable providers with good reps so if that isn't enough then i'm just moving on.
Providers research? LmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Passion2015
I do "scratch and sniff" meeting before actual date. After verification and getting a picture of a gent. I don't go out for a lunch with a new guy, but, I meet for 2 minutes at busy retail parking lot.
Yes, I have asked for a pictures and have never been told "no." Maybe, because I have no desire to hurt anyone and this is obvious. Or men, who are willing to do certain things for me are secure in their intentions and have no reasons to be worried, that I will hurt them.
There are plenty of men, who have nothing to hide, because they are here to have fun and to make others feel comfortable.
But, please, don't forget, that there are plenty of losers, guys and girls, who think, that they can hurt or take advantage of a lady/gent, and that is why we all trying to stay away from such idiots.
We are also trying to weed-out abusers and violent individuals, who can ruin our fun.
So, if you have malicious intent, or if you are disrespectful and violent person, you should be worried, that we will expose you and make public your information. And if you are here to have fun- Don't worry.
What goes around - comes around.
Can’t a guy even take a few hours off and run a few laps around the beads without something like this getting posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexandraSand
So you have NEVER been told NO? Never? Okay let’s let that one go.
Nothing is to hide? Really? So let me get this straight, you are of the opinion that guys not willing to be outed, have something to hide?
Quick question, how many idiots have you actually met? While I agree safety is number one on just about everyone’s list, what percentage of the guys you have met in all your years have been idiots? Hurt you? Took advantage of you? Before you answer let me share something with you. If safety is truly your concern why don’t you get a real job that takes you out of harms way instead of bestowing your one sided wisdom to get unsuspecting hobbyists to put themselves in harms way? See I don’t believe you. Like other providers that play that same game, you want information about a guy to hold that over him assuring yourself he can’t complain no matter what you do or don’t do. Kind of pay or else kind of thing.
So only abusers, violent individuals with malicious intent have something to worry about? Where is that face palm emoji.
Being Sunday I’m feeling a little religious. So let me share something from over 2000+ years ago. It came out of the Bible. Please fact check me!
What did Sweet baby Jesus say when he found guys wanting to stone a ******? He said “ Let he who is without sin throw the first stone!” The hobbyist, we men threw down their stones and walked away. Now the important part. He told the ****** she is forgiven. He also said, now leave and sin NO MORE! I always start crying at that point so I never was able to keep reading.
So as Sweet baby Jesus said, and I’m paraphrasing, get out of the ****** business if your safety is truly what you value. It’s either that or except the fact that yes there are risks all around us and none of us are ever 100% safe. But PLEASE stop blame shifting and shaming all hobbyists because of a few dip shits. I venture to say the vast majority out there are great appreciative, respectful gentleman.
Can I get an AMEN?
People,
Please don't feed that troll
Op I recommend you simply ask yourself two simple questions. Once you do I’m betting you’ll come up with the answer best suited for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdub2222
1 Do you have anything to risk or lose if a wife, partner, significant other, kids, other family members or relatives or employer or fellow employees or neighbor finds out you’re in the hobby?
2 How badly do you want to meet the person requesting real life information?
You should have the very best answer for you. Remember, always think with the big head and safety first.
P411 is the way to go. The site screens the guys when they sign-up. The girls give Okays if the guy is alright.
If the provider and the guy are both on P411, the guy asks for an appointment on the P411 platform. The girl can directly look-up your profile and your number of Okays.
If a provider is not on P411, you can now email her a link to look at your profile including the number of okays you have.
Easy-peasy.
A'Man
^^ Correct but a new guy with zero/no "okays" will have a difficult time getting a reputable provider or a gentleman that has "no current ok's"..... Then what?
P411 requires money to be a member, that money has nothing to do with us provider's & that website exclusively has (in writing) they aren't responsible for any persons actions when it comes to meeting.
The current OK's is the (most) important factor.
Perhaps I can point out a few obvious differences for you and a similarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
To get verified here one needs to meet at least 2 providers and hope they will vouch for you and then wait. That costs money. Yes P411 costs money as well. I made the mistake of reaching out to 3 providers at the same time with ZERO okays. All contacted me ready to schedule. The responsiveness and professionalism of the providers was remarkable. Full disclosure, a few of the older more vocal providers are on P411 as well as they are here.
Yet to be cat fished on P411. Never had a no show or cancelation. Rates tend to be a little higher but in every case they honor their lowest published rate. Several providers have no okay requirements. Most 1 or 2. Seen a few 3’s.
The biggest difference is no one calls you a Troll when you tell the truth. And on P411 the pendulum swings both ways. Screw guys around they shit can you. Screw a provider over and they will shut you down faster than greased lightning. And no refunds. In short people act professional. Excellent tool.
The name I use on P411 is:
More Money Than Common Sense
That could be why my success has been awesome but probably not.
So is it now ok for provider's to call names? Thought this was something that would get you points?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexandraSand
Let's keep the name calling and vitriol out of these forums, OK?
Keep the discussion polite and civil.
It’s a gray area lolQuote:
Originally Posted by golferguy55
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Originally Posted by golferguy55
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a process.
LOLOL
This thread should be closed.
In compliance with the post by staff Mokoa, what in the world does your post have to do with this thread topic? Isn’t that thread hijacking? Do the rules not apply to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexandraSand
You share you opinion / position not once but three times in this short thread. Then, when someone offers up a different opinion / position you call them a name!? Are other board members not allowed to have different views that yours without be harassed? Then as as bonus you decide to defend your post with some crapola you found doing a Google search to substantiate your vitriol and hatred of men that don’t and would never call on you? You don’t know me. Instead of slinging your hatred, how about you “be” the change you want to see. Just a thought.
Close the thread? Is that your objective? You don’t like the OP’s subject matter so “YOU” think the thread should be closed? Maybe your efforts might be better severed being kind, not a, as you put it, a Troll. Try it you might like it.
You know what they say, if the vibrator fits, use it!
PS:
The bill board you put up every time you post, sharing your rates along with admission of trying to attain unethical goals along with having a ruined reputation which you think allows you to speak freely, certainly speaks for itself. At first reading I thought it was your attempt at humor. I had no idea you were serious.
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Originally Posted by AlexandraSand
hobbyverse trolls generally display/share many common traits:
goad/gadfly
a fly that bites livestock, especially a horsefly, warble fly, or botfly.
an annoying person, especially one who provokes others into action by criticism.
"always a gadfly, he attacked intellectual orthodoxies"
But some of the main keys in this community seem to be
the member who never really hobbies or one who claims to hobby but rarely or never displays reviews (or ads) or never "adds to the data base" in a meaningful way.
As noted in the site flag:
ourhome2 is a privately owned and operated adult (18 years or older) "hobbying" community website with public forums open to lurkers and to basic registered members. Full access features and non-public and strictly private forums are available only to validated/verified members.
Membershp in this "hobbying" community requires confirmed in-person, person+person intimate adult activities and acceptance/tolerance for adult discussion, activities and images and hobbying activities.
= = = = =
OH2 accepts all comers (male or female) at face value until they prove otherwise.