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Maybe I'm Wrong but is it just me or does it seem like the AMPs are getting more business then the conpanions? Which makes no sense to me how you never really see on the news or read on the the internet about the AMPs ever getting busted but you'll constantly hear all over the world about LE busting × amount of people due too some sting operation!!!
Plz Correct me if im wrong
You could be right. I have no clue. I don't even know if there's a amp in San Angelo. Guess I don't get out much. I do know there's a strip club and its not that nice looking.
Across the board or in a certain area or town?
Across the board
The one thing an AMP has going for it is they'll support a guy's sudden impulse to meet with a lady. Companions discourage impulse meetings for valid reasons as well as real life things getting in the way.
As my handle would indicate, I am a fan of Asian women and of AMPS. Believe me, they have been cratered in Dallas. We used to have 15 or more Korean AMPS in Dallas. Now down to 2 thanks to a push from City Hall. Suburban AMPS flourish but they get busted just as easily. Not sure how the suburbs don't just shut them down by going in as a regular customer and nailing them when they negotiate.
I can see how amps are for spur of the moment. Some guys might have free time and need to swing by real quick while companions can't do last minute (all the time)
I can see thatQuote:
Originally Posted by phrasing
I would honestly think there is a easier bust at a AMP. You are walking in on 8-10 women, and how many guys are already in there. It's a bigger and easier swoop.
I am just giving opinion. I love 1 on 1 connection
Exactly but you hardly ever hear of those places getting busted but you always hear about sting operationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Anna Nikkole
Each their own. Some move a lot, others keep it low key Lubbock has had many amp's busted
Amps are a much safer place to
hobby in general than booking
an indie from the web
(especially from websites like
escortalligator or adultsearch).
Normally busts at spas & amps
are from a male officer posing
as a customer then arresting the
girls/owner for prostitution.
Mongers are seldom the target of
an amp bust. Unless you're
dick deep when the popo busts
thru the door, it's difficult to
make a charge stick in court.
I have a friend in San Antonio that
was in the middle of a massage
when the amp was busted.
The cops just told him to get
dressed and leave with no
refund.
In my 20+ years of hobbying,
I havent heard of one story where
a monger on the table was arrested
or convicted of solicitation.
In order for the PD to do a sting
at an amp like they do with hotels
and websites, they would have to
get an undercover female cop
hired at an amp or set up an entire
storefront massage parlor.
Both would be a near logistical
impossibility.
Amps have a well established
underground recruiting network.
The girls are usually recruited
from the major China-towns
in the US and fly to a different to
city to work. They also bring in
girls "fresh off the boat" from
China or other Asian countries
with the same work/home city
setup.
This is done on purpose to thwart
undercover cops and to give the
massage girls anonymity and
safety by not working in their home
town. It also makes the worker
much easier to control/exploit.
Once hired, the work situation
is less than desirable (for
an undercover cop) but extremely
profitable for the amp girl.
They work 7 days a week, upwards
of 10-12 hours a day. Most girls
work from 2 weeks to a month,
some girls 6 months or longer.
They live onsite in cramped shitty
quarters, sleeping on a couch or
massage table with only a few days
to a week's worth of clothes.
Often times the boss/mamasan/
owner is horrible to the amp
worker creating a hostile work
environment.
Let's suppose a police woman
agrees to deep cover and gets
hired or a vice squad takes over
an amp.
The undercover police officer
would then have to give massages
to fat, sweaty, stinky, dirty, hairy,
ugly men while doing their best
to avoid getting groped, felt up and fingered.
That alone has "sexual harrassment
lawsuit" against the police department
written all over it.
Is a cop really going to allow some
random dude to paw at her for
a full 30 full minutes and then
call in backup to bust him on the
flip when they negotiate extras?
And once they bust their first
monger (or first few), the gig is up.
Word of a bust spreads like wildfire
on the boards. The amp would be
outed within the first few hours.
Much of the communication
with an amp girl happens during
the massage portion of the visit.
This communication is completely
non-verbal, so the girl doesnt need
to speak any English.
When a guy touches/grabs the
girls privates before or during
the massage it tells the girl
he's not a cop and he's down for
a happy ending or better.
When the girl teases/touches the
guy intimately (butt, crack, balls,
johnson, b-hole), it tells him she
is ok for L1 or better service
on the flip.
An undercover cop would never
tolerate being felt up or fingered
by some random dude on a
massage table for a full 30
minutes.
If she stops him, he knows the
deal is off. If she arrests him,
the charge will only be for
misdemeanor indecent
sexual assault and not the new
Texas solicitation felony.
Also, an undercover agent giving
said random fat ugly dude a
table shower and soaping up his
junk in the process ?
NOT GONNA HAPPEN !
So yes, more hobbyists are
reverting to spas for adult fun.
You just show up whenever you
want (I have even been able to
text a girl and show up after hours).
No background checks,
no waiting for multiple references,
no advanced booking,
no sitting in a parking lot for 30+
minutes after your appointment
time waiting for a provider to get
ready or finish servicing some
dude that overstayed his welcome.
No being flaked on by said provider.
Also in my experience...
no BS drama happens at the amp.
Worst case scenario, you get a
shitty massage from an Asian
granny that wants $60 for a
jack-hammer Rub-N-Tug special.
Best case, you'll get a Super intense
GFE fuck-fest from a 20-something
modelesque K-girl or Latina that
has giant boobies, plump
curvaceous hiney and a tasty
hairless kitty.
Also, rates for indies have
dramatically increased over the
past 4 years. Indie service hasn't
gotten better across the board to
meet the rate increase.
In fact, just the opposite.
For a well reviewed indie in TX,
the average going rate is
$300-$400/hr.
The amp experience hasn't
increased in price much if at all.
Most 1hr door fees are still
$60-$70 and L3 service can be
negotiated on average for $140.
GPS still happens in amps and
indies, and yes, I've walked out
in both situations.
I dont say these things to be mean.
I'm just trying to be as honest
and factual as possible.
I still see indies quite a bit, and am
well reviewed myself, but I always
have an amp researched and ready
to fall back on just in case of a
NCNS or cancellation, which has
become much more frequent in
the past few years.
Happy Hobbying
JW
Very solid info jw, thanks for clarifying the amp scene for us.
Love the information. Does it bother you how they are treated? Or that they may be forced?
I hear it cost 30k to come from asian countries, they don't leave till it's paid. And all those hours. I wonder how many men a day she sees.
Now I'm almost guessing she gets to keep some money, tips etc.
Nevermind, this took my mind somewhere else.
In my experience, the amp/spa girls
that I've spoken to about this were
recruited and joined on their own
accord without being exploited by
human traffickers.
Most of them worked as CMT's and
wanted to make way more money.
The door fee ($60-70 price you pay
for the massage) goes to the house.
I do not know if the amp girl gets a cut
of this or works for an hourly wage.
100% of the tip the girl gets for
extras goes in her pocket, tax free.
I'm certain there are girls being
blackmailed and trafficked in the
industry but I have not encountered
one yet.
I would imagine those girls are
being pimped out of hotel rooms
turning tricks for the cartel.
I have read in multiple places the
ads for Asian escorts on the
scraper sites using fake pics
are the most likely culprit for
human trafficking.
If these girls were victims of human
trafficking, their behavior would
be very different.
(No talking, eye contact, sharing
personal info etc...)
I've visited amps in several cities
in the US and Puerto Rico and the
girls seem happy, enjoy their work,
and are focused on making money
and getting repeat service.
The girls seem genuinely very happy
when you come back to see them
for a second or third time.
I've even dated a few amp girls over
the years and have been asked to
come by after hours for hanging out,
going to dinner and more.
Phone translators are a great tool
as is friending said provider on
WeChat.
I know many of the patrons of amps
are disgusting and treat the girls like
sub-human sex toys.
I treat them with respect, always wait
until after the negotiation before I
try to do anything sexual (beyond a LE check),
and never try to make them do something
they're not interested in doing.
It's amazing how a little bit of
compassion and respect can
dramatically change an amp
experience. I usually get rewarded
very well for being patient and nice
to the girls.
One of the main takeaways here is that almost anytime...anywhere...even in small towns in Oklahoma you can get a relaxing massage and a good handjob without scheduling and digging up contact info for refs, way ahead of time, and for less than one bill.....and if you feel like getting your dick wet then that's usually available also for a modest fee.
The great majority of AMPs will
agree to L1 service even in the
small podunk towns.
Getting L2 or L3 service may take
some time depending upon the
AMP and the individual girl.
Even in San Antonio, a few girls
made me visit multiple times to
get higher levels of service.
If the police are bullies in your town
you may have to settle for L0 service
until you become a trusted regular.
Some amps in San Antonio and
elsewhere are L1 only. The key to
figuring out what service they provide
is in the advertising.
Google the phone number or
business email for the Amp In
question.
If they advertise on adult sites
and allude to service beyond L1
there is a good bet it can be had.
Check the local review boards too.
Places like Victoria TX are very quiet
about what is shared online
(because the police monitor it)
but if you read between the lines
you can glean the info you need
to make an informed decision.
Most of the time it depends upon
the providers whim.
That's why if you're sweet, clean,
tip well and build a good repoire
with the provider, you can usually
punch your ticket to a SGFE encounter.
Happy hobbying.
Very informative JW and appreciate the knowledge. Playing the devils advocate, do you think with a companion you at least know who you are seeing and for the most part what to expect? I've never been to a AMP, it's intriguing for sure. But from what I've read via reviews,etc, it's a crap shoot on the quality you might receive, and who you might see, without calling ahead.
In my early days of mongering
I could be lured to contact a
provider who was using photos
that were misleading or 100%
bait and switch.
I am very skeptical now because
of photo apps and such.
If a provider only has 3-5 photos
all from the same photoshoot
you can bet the photos are fake.
Believe it or not, the duckface
hotel mirror selfies are the most
honest shots a provider can post.
Some girls will even hold up
a newspaper in the pic to
prove they are real.
Now they just post videos.
With an amp. The best thing
you can do is go by the
monger's description of the girl
in the review.
If you see an ad for an AMP
there is a 99.99% chance the
photos are fake.
I have seen real photos of real
amp girls being used but they
are few and far between and
dont look anything like those
fake heavily shopped photos
in the spa ads.
Many times, I will do a recon
mission. After reading a good
review of a spa, I will swing by
the place on my way home
from work or while I am out
running an errand.
I will pop in (when its not busy)
and ask for a provider that I know
doesnt currently work there
to gauge their reaction.
I will ask the names of the girls,
say I dont have time for a
massage today and that I will
return tomorrow.
When doing recon, I'm checking
out several things.
The attractiveness of the ladies
per the description.
Their general interest in me and
how much they want my business.
Will they lie and say they are so and
so, to try to get me to pay the fee.
But most of all I'm watching for
eye contact. If a girl genuinely
likes me her body language
will give her away. I find when
a provider is attracted to me
I end up getting much better
service all the way around.
Plus, when you do return the
next day and ask for the girl
that was most interested in you,
it makes them very happy.
It's a win-win situation.
If you walk in blind and ask for
service, yes its a crapshoot.
But a little homework can
go a long way.