Lol
https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
https://www.gofundme.com/ladders-to-...trump039s-wall
Why are we raising taxes? When we can get volunteers to donate their money. Hell we could get most of our roads replaced. There just has to be some controversy to make people open up their wallets.
So what happens to the money if it doesn’t get used for it’s intended purpose? Is this another case of the homeless man gas can scam?
My dollars go to my own border wall. Have to keep the wee woofs at the Irish Chihuahua Refuge behind the fence or they would create havoc in the streets! Look what happened when they crossed over last time:
http://image.blingee.com/images15/co...39_1665873.gif
Sent me the bill for all that bling. Sheesh.
Someone pass that to Austin Ellen.
Ima still waiting for Mexico to pay for it since that was promised. I know he can't be a liar.
Maybe the guy can move to New Mexico and he can write the check from a bank there.
Boarder security is important and the go fund me page should be an indicator to Congress that it is important to the forgotten people.
Mexico was never intended to pay for the wall outright...like them saying here US we will give you $25 million back of the billions you are currently giving us already, so you can build the needed wall. But instead with the renegotiations of NAFTA and a much better deal created for all including the US, the billions saved there is what was going to build the wall. Another misconception about Mexico building the wall is it would actually be Hispanic workers building the wall...can’t believe people actually believed that, although there is a good chance a very diverse work group will be working on building the wall.
All politicians are liars...some just outright lie a lot more than others. I never got to keep my doctor. Some may have intended and tried to keep their promises but just could not make it past the system and were/are being forced to do what the select few want. And it is scary that many are above the law as well.
Just a bone to chew on.
Goofy you made some great points- the biggest being that all politicians lie and some have good intent but there good intentions can be derailed by congress. In terms of the wall to keeping out immigrants and illegal substances IMHO it will not work. In the latter, the Cartels have very unique ways of getting their products across the border- they have used boats, jets, and have even built undergorung tunnels -so it's not going to stop the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofy11
it's not just Mexicans anymore..
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...223391190.html
shame on the Republican Party for backing this guy, defending him the past 2 years.. funny how it started out with many Republicans very worried about Trump, then quickly coalesced into massive, unwavering support.. they got hammered in the election last month, because every group of people, outside the "over-40 Caucasian male" feels Trump directly attacks them at every turn.
I would fund bridges if my pockets were deep enough.
Who am I kidding? If I had deep pockets I would blow it all on sex.
Can someone tell me what Wall (barrier) in history ever worked?
I can only think The Great Wall of China. When you see who ordered it, over saw the construction and used it, I don't think you'd like the cost of that one. Otherwise, every other one I can think of failed or was an extreme waste.
This from Wikipedia...
Although a useful deterrent against raids, at several points throughout its history the Great Wall failed to stop enemies, including in 1644 when the Manchu Qing marched through the gates of Shanhai Pass and replaced the most ardent of the wall-building dynasties, the Ming, as rulers of China.
Robot sentinels would be more effective... IF they didn't go Terminator on us.
https://i.imgflip.com/2ala1w.jpg
Attachment 131948Quote:
Originally Posted by Precious_b
BTW, if you do decide to donate be careful...
https://www.chicksonright.com/youngc...AeU2B0fm8LirPM
LLIA, thanks for a supporting link.
GFEJ, if it was built with the intent of only stopping suicide bombers, than it is a success.
But what about all the tunnels I hear about? Constantly finding them and it is unknown what has passed underneath.
So, would that be called successful?
Others I can think off the top of my head are Hadrian, a person can leap over it.
Marginot line, bypassed.
Siegried line, filling bulldozed on top of and crossed.
Berlin, now in museums across the world.
A few of those barriers, see how history has treated those people (Hitler, Honecker.)
That's what the UN is for...Quote:
Originally Posted by Precious_b
https://apnews.com/2c47af73141a47d5b2107085e5b9402b
It's called maintenance. Kinda like I do here. It's a constant vigil.
Israel’s West Bank wall is 440 miles long. How many thousands of miles must our wall be?
And there are heavily armed Israeli soldiers on BOTH sides of that wall.
Lastly, the claim that their wall is responsible for the decline in suicide bombings is false - fake news . Check out this chart.
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Source: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs...icide-bombings
Ask any Israeli if they regret building one.
How does the wall stop Airplanes ?
Student never leaves
Tourist never leaves.
What’s the stats on illegals that over stayed compared to snuck in ?
Will we also build a wall in the Canadian border ?
Will smugglers start using ocean entry?
What about tunnels.?
Just how much is the true cost of this wall ?
And
What is the expectations on illegal decline ?
Well, that proves my point: it is a waste. Pay for it and have to pay even more to outsource to others. But than again, they probably stick it to the U.S. of A. as Defense budget stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by gfejunkie
Thanks again for the link. Barriers like these of late are not remembered fondly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovinglifeinaustin
I don't think the same response will be given here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gfejunkie
No, I’m not contributing, but I think it’s a great idea. Let the deplorables waste their money on the idea a useless boondoggle. It’s all a fraud anyway. Funds donated to the Federal government can’t be earmarked for a specific purpose, but go into general revenue, in any event.
https://nypost.com/2018/12/20/border...llions-raised/
But that’s less money in the hands of bad guys to support Republican office seekers.
in my thought processes, the concern is that trump is focusing on ONE solution to the bigger problem of immigration and security.
instead of saying "let's work to control who comes in to our country", he seems to be thinking that a wall will solve the immigration problem. remember he used to say (paraphrased) "our country is so messed up. only i can fix it!"
that's what we get when we toss critical thinking aside and focus on quick unexamined solutions.
but he is kinda smart. it's just not clear to me what his end game is. sink the stock market cos he shorted it? create major chaos so that he can declare martial law? screw up the country so bad he asks russia and china to "save" us. i dont know what his end game is.
that's what his rabid base insisted Obama would do.. create chaos and declare martial law, so Trump would not take his place as President. absolute poppycock. Trump has lied continuously since day one, and his false Inauguration numbers.. his end game is publicity, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by pmdelites
Ok, so what will the wall cost? It is estimated to cost around 25 Billion, but being government funded we can all probably agree it will most likely be over budget, so say 30-35 Billion.
There is a section of wall in San Diego that the Democrats approved and already built many years ago in the late 90’s and early 2000’s, when they ironically were saying the very exact things about immigration as Trump is saying today (please research them and see what they were saying). Anyway it is being reported that section of wall has stopped 90+% of the illegal crossings into San Diego area, hence why almost all of the caravan that were waiving their country’s flags (not the US flag) that we all watched on the news is still stuck in Tijuana. Don’t see it on the news much anymore since it was stopped.
One could say that 90% is a pretty good number for a small section of a fairly good wall built. Imagine an even better and longer wall, what that could potentially stop. Most of all the other border fencing is very low budget and easily breached. In all honesty that was probably the intent, make it look like the politicians tried but make it so people could easily get through.
But let’s lower the 90% for the San Diego wall down to just 50% stoppage of illegal crossings. Just 50% improvement will save the American tax payers around $64 Bilion from just welfar and social services spending in just 10 years. That alone would pay for 2 walls, so if you really look at it the wall would pay for itself with just this alone. Imagine the number if it stopped 90+%...
Another cost savings and potential funding for a wall... it costs the American taxpayers 155-245 Billion annually (each and every year) just to make sure the illegal immigrants are taken care of and actually better off than many, many, many American Citizens! Stop that nonsense and we can have 5-8 walls in just 1 year! But since we only need 1 good wall, think of all the wonderful things that saved money could do for our American citizens in need, our inner cities, our schools, our infrastructure, our taxes, our opiate addiction, our national debt...
We already do all the heavy lifting and pay for most of the UN aid anyway so how would that cost us much if anything to have them help root out tunnels? Like Israel, why not have the armed military positioned along the border wall? Stopping just 50% would more than pay for the wall, the maintenance, and the military men and women! It pays for itself and then some.
The awesome Coast Guard does their best to stop all the boats coming in, sure a few get past but they are pretty dang good at what they do. With some of the money the wall could be saving us we could fund them a lot more and they could do even a better job.
Sure a few small planes get through. But take some of the excesss savings the wall would be providing and invest in better radar and intelligence and some fighter jet mite, and that number would drastically go down.
Since 1972 the government has built over 3000 miles of “sound walls” along our highways to protect nearby home owners and apartment renters and businesses from traffic noise. These walls cost about 2 Million a mile which is right around 6 Billion. If the government can spend 6 Billion to protect us from “traffic noise” why can’t they spend 5 Billion or even 30 Billion to protect our borders, our lives, our livelihoods, our opiate addiction, our national debt?
If walls do not work...are all our prisoners staying in our prisons voluntarily?
If you don’t think the wall will work let’s see who a wall has worked for over time...
The Vatican
Israel
China
Belfast
Spain
Morocco
Cypres
Hungary
Greece
Turkey/Syrian boarder
Saudi Arabia
India-Bangladesh
And 60+ other countries.
Walls also seem to work very well for...
Celebrities
Millionaires
Billionaires
Prisons
Large Companies and Corporations
Businesses
Private residences
Apartment and Condo Complexes
Military bases
Area 51
So if you are really against the border wall...what about tearing down your walls/fences and removing any and all of your security measures, and keep your doors unlocked all of the time day and night. None of us would ever do that so why should we do that with our Nation and leave our borders wide open and unprotected?
Let’s do immigration the legal way, the right way, the affordable way, the way our great great grandparents, great grandparents, grandparents, and our mothers and fathers did it. We have a fair and balanced legal immigration process and those that follow the rule of law are welcomed and have the potential for a great life. Those that cut the line and do not want to follow the rule of law and think we should pay them to be here, is illegal and just wrong and you know it. You may not admit it but you know it is wrong. All are welcome the legal way.
Pretty sure we all would get a little cranky, maybe even down right pissed, if we were standing in a very long slow moving line at Disney on a hot summer day and a few rowdy teenagers or a large family decided to cut line and expected us to let them and even buy them a lemonade and a picture at the end of the ride. What’s the difference really with cutting in on the immigration line? Let’s corridor off the border and get everyone in line to come in the right way.
Who doesn’t have a wall and how are they doing? France, England, Germany...
Why would we ever need a Canadian wall?
Anyway just some more thoughts to chew on. I am pretty sure some of us will have to agree to disagree, but that doesn’t mean we still can’t be friends.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Goofy, I think the thing we should be chewing on is being good neighbors.
Don't foster a foreign government that represses their people.
That way, they won't have a reason to seek a "land of the free."
These arguments get funnier all the time.
To those who are against a wall I have to ask why. Not to long ago the Democrats wanted one, but now that Trump wants one it is racist and will not work. But if nothing else a wall does do one very specific thing - establish a clear line of where one country ends and another begins. It does not need to be super high tech, heck as long as it is well manned it wouldn't even need to be very big. A 10 ft tall concrete barrier wall would be large enough to facilitate signage in multiple languages saying "keep off, violators will be shot". The have outposts with armed agents patrolling the ”friendly” side. And to please all the gun haters those agents could be armed with rubber bullets and emergency only live rounds. But yes it would need to be manned and maintained.
Solution number 2: is much cheaper does not require hardly any maintenance or manning but could be very very messy, especially with caravans. And that solution is dense minefields. Ironically this solution with less manning would be the most effective combating the tunnels. If a mine goes off on the surface the shock wave then weakens the tunnel and eventually collapses. Now yes mines are very messy and very lethal, but they are also very effective.
Third solution: Annex Mexico and every Central American country down to and through Panama. The Panama borderline is much smaller and if we annexed those countries their citizens would be US citizens, the feds would have legal jurisdiction to wage war on the cartels. Annex them as territories of the US, give them non-voting representation in the House and they can elect their own local governments. Do this and nobody would care about homelessness, hungry children or lack of adequate healthcare because they ignore ignore those issues here now.
Now here is a band-aid for any butt-hurt snowflake: These "solutions" are just meant as comedy, jokes, not meant to be taken seriously. I do not advocated violence and even though the 3rd one does not specifically call for violence it would incite a war(s). I do however believe that there is a bigger problem that does not get addressed and that is: Don't talk about a problem without offering a solution. So for anyone who says a wall will not stop illegal immigration and drugs coming across the southern border - WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION? Remember my 3 solutions are JOKES, I happen to believe that the wall will not stop it but will hamper it. And as far as visa overstays that is a different issue all together. If someone came here with a visa then they were documented and did come into the country LEGALLY, they should be fined and allowed to reapply for extensions (and if denied deported).
The US Border Patrol wants it. That's good enough for me.
Why does everyone act as if illegals only come in from Mexico? That wall isn't going to stop a thing
Goofy, what happened to the promise that Mexico will fully pay for the wall??? Admit you knew that was a lie from the jump.
Also, you didn't answer the question of why we don't build one along Canada? Is it because you think it's citizens aren't a threat
Here's a couple of links for you Goofy:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...51e80e37cfa5b2
https://canadiancentreforaddictions....use-in-canada/
Canada has a huge drug problem and take a wild guess Goofy of how over 95% of their illegal drugs gets into Canadian streets??? Oh yes, through the U.S- so perhaps Canada should build a wall and have Trump pay for it-see how well that works.
Mr. Wellendowed, we can agree to disagree and still have a friendly discussion on the topic to hear and take in all points of view. We all see things differently and believe different things and for sure interpret what we hear and/or read differently. We are not only diverse in culture/s but in thoughts. Open discussions and listening to all sides is how we learn and grow as a person. We may not agree and we may not be able to change the other persons mindset, but we can still talk to each other as friends. Heck if we all agreed on everything it would be a little boring.
From the start, the very first time it was said, I never took it as Mexico was going to pay for the wall directly, as that would be absurd to think so. I had several discussions with my mother on this topic, she interrupted what she was hearing in the very bias news she chooses to listen to, as the Mexican people in some sort of slave labor way would be forced to build the wall...how she interpreted that from what was actually being said I will never know. I did take it from the first time said, as from the billions we would be saving in the much better America First trade deal with Mexico, would be what could and should be funding the wall. There was an 800 billion trade deficit with Mexico...we we supplementing them 800 billion dollars in the old trade deal...800 billion, that was a bad deal for us big league. But I also later started to see that the hundreds of billions saved from social services and taking care of all the hundreds of thousands to millions of illegal immigrants each and every year, would and could pay for the wall several times over as well as maintain it and provide people to patrol it, plus help with our stuff like our major drug problem here at home. So it could be interpreted or seen as Mexico is paying for the wall. All depends on how you want to look at it.
Are the Canadian people a threat? I do not see thousands upon hundreds of thousands of illegal Canadian immigrants, or even democratic funded Canadian caravans crashing our northern Canadian border and when they get here expecting us to pay for everything they need or want. Or when they can’t get across the border start demanding that we fund them 50k each to go back home. I may be wrong here but just not seeing it.
In regard to the drug addiction in Canada. It is very sad, and just as sad that it is probably the same or even worse here in the USA. That stuff is just too easy to get a hold of and way too addicting and a lot of very bad people willing to get our kids and family addicted to it, only to profit in millions and billions on our kids and family members destruction. There should be no leniency or any mercy for a drug dealer. The two articles you provided point out that Canada is itself a huge producer of drugs and the main suppliers of Canadian drug ingredients is China, India and Mexico. That it is brought in mainly through their airports and coastal water borders...not directly across the US/Canadian border. I am sure it is happening but not the 95% you point out. It says that fentanyl can be ordered online like a book.
I do not catch all of the news but I do not recall any MS13 Canadian gang members, or any illegal Canadians crashing through the northern border by the thousands daily, or any Canadians being deported multiple times over and coming back across our border illegally again and again and killing, or raping our citizens, or shooting our police officers, like that which just happened on Christmas. Perhaps the Canadian border is not as porous as our southern border and no need for a wall as of yet.
Because they are crossing the southern border by the thousands to tens of thousands daily...costing us 155 to 254 billion each and every year to make sure they are taken much better care then many, many, many of our own America Citizens. Let’s slow that entry number down and divert all that money saved to helping our own first and then helping others as we can.Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessK
So if they raise the $5Bn, how does it go to the project?
The gofundme page is a stunt.
Better chance at redemption by pledging it to a TV preacher. Errr, a different TV preacher.
Goofy nothing wrong with us agreeing to disagree, but I honestly don't think the wall will work the way you think it will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofy11
First you figures of 155 to 254 billion hae been fact checked and proven to be very well inflated- the figure is closer to 50 billion. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy and https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ca-not-n950981
Also, if you really are serious about saving money and helping our own- How do you feel about the U.S cutting it's defense budget of $618 billion.
Please give me one valid reason why we spend 618 billion on defense when the next 7 countries China, Russia, Saudia Arabia, India, France, , U,K, and Japan-combined spend 578 billion? Does that not alarm you? However, when you talk to a republican about cutting defense they want to switch the subject. Do you ever wonder why a country like Iran is trying to build nukes? When they see the United States every year spending over half a trillion on military what signal does that send to other nations?
Easy to bypass a barrier.
What is more of a concern to me was when I was listening to the news this morning.
There are alot of countries putting up barriers on their borders. I was surprised how many countries.
Most all of them to bar refugees.
And the leader of our country is foaming at the mouth to get one up. By hook or by crook. Lying all the way about it (i.e. Mexico paying for it.)
I know a few of the above countries have these problems because of the USA messing with their affairs.
Long rant to the point: we shouldn't have to waste time/effort/money with such things IF we try to straighten out the situation that is causing these mass flights of people. It is always cheaper to fix the underlying (sp) cause of problems than to put a bandage on it.
And it is the decent thing to do.
*pb ramble finished*
Fair enough we will agree to disagree...
I would imagine our budget differences is largely due to the salary we pay our troops. We pay them in dollars not in cents as you know China, India, and most likely Russia do. The UK, Saudi and Japan are a fraction of the size of the US so you know their budgets are going to be lower. Plus we do a lot and pay a lot for the research and development which is costly but provides a huge advantage. Then we have the labor expenses to build our state of the art equipment like planes, ships and all the other weapons, etc. so that is another huge costs difference. Then in addition to that, we are expected to fund military actions abroad and defend pretty much the rest of the world, which by the way I am ok with provided they contribute to some degree. And then on top of all that we have to add in the inflated numbers to fund Area 51 and the other secret sites we don’t even know about. Also a well funded military means full and active bases in cities helping their economies...
I fully imagine Iran wants to build nukes to kill Americans with out hesitation or even a second thought as they freely and openly chant death to Americans and burn our flag...I believe that’s exactly what they are thinking regardless of our military budget.
I might be wrong here but I feel that if they were saying death to the Russians or Chinese that Iran would have already been squashed by either of those countries, as a clear and present danger to their people. America since becoming a super power has yet to enter a war to claim territory or resources for its own. Probably could be easily done, but that is not who we are, thank goodness. So for a whole country of Iran to be chanting and bill boarding death to America. I see us as pretty dang tolerant of that. Although our last person in charge gave them one heck of a chance by giving them a 155 billion cash midnight darkness top secret do not let the American People know cash fund to start on those nukes they want to use on us.
Maybe the numbers are inflated...but probably not. Each side has reports showing the numbers in their favor. But many reports show that it costs the American taxpayers 70k for each and every illegal immigrant each and every year (which by the way is way more than many Americans Citizens are able to earn a year) and there are 20 million illegal immigrants here today. And that is a low estimation. Plus thousands more are crossing every day. 70,000 x 20,000,000 = 1,400,000,000,000...so even with inflated numbers that you feel I shared, even those might be a little low...
In all honesty I would be willing to vote today to make all of the hard working illegal immigrants trying to better themselves and willing to assimilate to American ways and laws legal right away, today. Simply go to your local city hall and swear in...Immediately assign them a social security card along with a helpful pamphlet on local government and laws and let them earn a living and pay their bills and more importantly pay their taxes! However without even a second thought all those others here for other reasons and are depending or expecting or demanding the government to take care of them, they need to be sent home today. And we without question need to know who is coming across any of our borders...terroist, criminals and gang members need not apply.
All politicians switch the topic to avoid answering questions they do not want to discuss, it’s called a pivot. Heck Pelosi and Schumer kept interrupting the HS Secretary during the White House meeting the other day because they don’t want to hear what the true numbers on the boarder really are. So there’s that.
Good discussion thanks.
This would be awesome if it would work, we have been trying this for decades giving foreign aid in the billions to countries to help them but it is not working for many reason, but mostly because those governments use most of the monies for themselves and very little for their people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Precious_b
Also we have some of the highest salaries in the world that even at minimum wage they are making huge money and can live here, with taxpayers supplementing their costs, and still send money back and provide for all of their family members back home. It’s almost as good as the California and Alaska gold rush for them. Can’t fault anyone for trying but let’s do it the legal way and get them set up and paying their share of the taxes and not living off the taxpayers.
Lets face it. As long as they keep us argueing eith each other the more both parties can screw us!
Try sneaking across a border in Europe or South America and see what happens.
Goofy thanks for your very articulate replies even if I disagree you make very strong points defending your position. However, in terms of military spending you didn’t quite give a valid reason why we spend so much more than other countries specifically Russia and China who militarily are our biggest threats. You mention because the US pays the military men and women in dollars and not cents is one of the biggest reasons.
However, by numbers both Russia and China have more manpower and this article states that people who serve in the Russian military are paid better than the average Russian citizen : https://www.google.com/amp/s/russian...itary-pay/amp/ so that defeats that point.
Also, both Russia and China have state of the art weapons such as stealth fighters and I am pretty sure those weapons don’t come cheap. I think the military allows a lot of those contracts to be highly inflated - is there a reason why in 2019 a single stealth fighter cost 1 billion dollars ? The M1 Abram tank although a great tank has suffered damages from RPGs which militarily speaking are inexpensive. IUDs used by both the Taliban and ISIS have shredded Humvees to scrap metal.
Thanks Wellendowed.
Russia pays their soldier 62000 rubles a year which equals $917.28 us dollars.
Russia also collapsed trying to keep up with high end military tech. Yes they have some good stuff but they have reduced their investment numbers here to avoid another collapse.
Chinese military expenditure, like all nation states is needed to protect its capitalist class from internal and external threats to its political control of the means of living. Granted China does have the largest military force in the world in terms of numerical strength but this indicates that Chinese policy is not to become involved in a technological arms race to the bottom, like Russia.
Therefore, like all capitalist countries the chinese ruling class weighed up the options of the cost of introducing technology and the costs of labour power in terms of comparative advantage and reached the conclusion its cheaper to have a large military force armed with medium technology rather than the opposite.
Its Defense Budget: $129,272,000,000 when compared against the US Defense Budget: $689,591,000,000 and then calculated against the total military strength (Active Military Personnel: 2,285,000; Labor Force: 795,500,000) totals: 3,080,500 for China and then compared with the US (Active Military Personnel: 1,477,896
Labor Force: 153,600) which totals 1,631,496 illustrates that the costs per head of military personnel is far lower in China.
129272000000 divided by 3080500 = 41,964 per person for China
689591000000 divided by 1631496 = 422,674 per person US
The difference is great technology.
differences in military spending need to be looked at in the context of differences in military mission.
Chinese and Russian investments, modernization, new weapons systems, etc., their R&D — which is all government-owned and also is much cheaper. Also there is no way to get a truly accurate figure for defense spending from authoritarian and highly secretive countries like China and Russia. Also we are unable to factor in whatever those nations do spend on military salaries, health care, pensions and the like. (It is safe to assume it is a vastly smaller percentage than for the Pentagon.)
In general, our inputs cost more than their inputs. But the real issue is that it is misleading to simply compare the U.S. and Russian military budgets — or the U.S. and Chinese military budgets — on a one-to-one basis because we operate globally in a way that none of our adversaries does. Add in the fact that we only play away games — we operate near our competitors’ territories, at the end of our very long supply lines, all of which gives them a major geographic advantage — and we simply need a lot more military power to make our alliances credible and make our influence felt.
To compare our soldiers with Chinese or Russian soldiers (or sailors) is like comparing not apples and oranges but apples and hubcaps. You get what you pay for, and we are spending a lot more — and getting a great (and necessary) value for our money.
https://www.quora.com/How-does-China...y-in-the-world
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blo...ere-s-the-math
https://www.google.com/search?q=6200...obile&ie=UTF-8
Thanks for that info Goofy11. However, I have a question for you if you don't mind it's more so related to military. In 1945, the U.S dropped the A-Bomb on japan- every Presidential election we get the talk of stopping rogue nations like N.Korea and/or Iran building a nuke. Of course we know N.Korea has one, but I am trying to fiugure out why more contries don't have nukes. The technology to build a nuke existed let's say in 1945 that's 74 years ago!!!! Surely a 74 year old secret has to be known by now. So am I to believe that any semi-modern country in the world don't have top pyschicist or chemist that know how to build a nuke?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofy11
Or is obtaining the materials to build a nuke like enriched uranium more of a challenge than the technology to build a nuke??? Please help me out if you can-thanks in advance.
Nukes are very expensive and dangerous to make, but yes all countries I am sure have the people and materials, and possibly the money to make a nuke if they wanted to.
But in a nutshell why they don’t. 190 countries back in 1970, including the US, Russia, UK, France and China have joined the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). India, Israel and Pakistan never signed the agreement and North Korea left in 2003. The NPT recognises five states having nuclear weapons - US, Russia, France, UK and China - all of which had tested nuclear weapons before the agreement came into effect.
Under the agreement, these countries should not maintain an arsenal forever. And both the US and Russia have significantly reduced their stock pile.
The treaty prohibits non-recognised states from developing nuclear weapons. South Africa, and former Soviet Union countries Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine have all given up theirs.
So with Iran actively trying to build a Nuclear bomb they are in direct violation of this treaty.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0jfv-uvwF14
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-42873633