Ads that say "No AA" And this African American mans Experience as a New Hobbyist

Now let me preference the question I ask below by saying, I respect everyones preference or right to see who they want to see. I sure as hell respect a lady's right to choose who she is willing to share her body with. Hell, we all have preferences whether we want to admit it or even know it.

Now let me preference the question I ask below by saying, I respect everyones preference or right to see who they want to see. I sure as hell respect a lady's right to choose who she is willing to share her body with. Hell, we all have preferences whether we want to admit or even know it.

Ok, my questions is for all you ladies who post in your ads "NO AA" or for all you ladies who don't post it but don't see "AA". By the way, still being somewhat new to the "Hobby World", I just I found out about 2 weeks or so ago that "No AA" means no African American men.

My question for you ladies that don't see African American men is, why don't you?

As I said before, I respect every ladies preference to choose who she wants to spend her time with or give her body to. I am asking the question because I am honestly curious about the reasons why.

I want to start with the story of my very first attempt to meet up with a lady. After reading so many reviews on different ladies. I found one that I liked particularly because the reviews talked about how she was "newbie friendly". I finally got up the nerve to reach out so I texted her and set up a time to meet at her incall location. I get there and she was is a very attractive lady. I get out of my car and start to walk towards her and I can immediately tell she was not expecting to see me. We sat for quite a while talking and I finally asked her if she was ok because it was getting very awkward and uncomfortable. She said, "well, I don't see African American men." Needless to say, I was caught off guard because it was honestly the last thing I expected her say. So, I said to her, "It's ok, I can tell you are really uncomfortable. I am going to take off and I am sorry this was such an awkward situation for you."

I leave and I am very perplex about the situation and quite honestly, didn't know what to think. Now because if that experience, I ask this question, "Are you ok with seeing a professional African American man?" I don't only ask this question to the white providers I have reached out to, I have also asked it to the African American providers. Yes, I have seen ads from African American ladies that say, "No AA".

I recently asked a lady who does see "AA" the question I proposed up top to all the ladies. She very willingly gave me two answers. The first answer I got was "a lot of girls don't want to see African American men because they have had bad experiences with them or they are thugs and pimps." The second answer I got was that "they are too big and the ladies don't want to deal with that."

The first thing that came to mind was, "I am sure ladies have had bad experiences with white men as well, but because they are white it is acceptable? The second thing that came to mind was not every white man has a small dick, just like every black man has a 12" dick.

This made for a very interesting conversation. So I asked her If she thought I was a thug or a pimp and her answer was and I quote, "Well, I didn't know you were African American until you asked me if I was ok with seeing a professional African American man. You didn't sound like a black guy on the phone; besides, you are a very good looking chocolate man." Now there are so many things wrong with that statement that I am not going to go into it.

I bring my question up honestly to understand. Is what she said true? The one thing she didn't mention was race as a reason why ladies won't see African American men. Yes, I have had some racial slurs thrown my way when I asked the question, "Are you ok with seeing an African American man." Maybe she was naive and didn't think that would be the case or maybe she just didn't want to admit that part because she thought it would hurt my feelings. I haven't had very many experiences since I joined OH2 and ECCIE three weeks ago. However, I have read so many ads where ladies say "No AA, No pimps, No thugs." I think to myself, is this how these ladies see or think of African American men?

Well, not every African American man is thug or a pimp and we don't all have 12' dicks. Most of us are highly educated and are professionals who do very well in our careers and treat ladies well and with respect.

For those few ladies I have been lucky enough spend time with, I say thank you. Hopefully the experience we had will let you know that at least this African American man knows how to have fun and treat a lady with respect.

Deesmooth, you admit that you are new, so you arent aware that this topic has probably been discussed a dozen times over. If curious, you could probably do a search on here or ecc and find them. However, you pretty much summarized all of the reasons, or the ones you will hear. There may be other reasons, but at the end of the day, it is what it is. The hobby is its own little eclectic world; so you gotta take the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Someday it won’t matter anymore. Until then maybe there’s solace in knowing for every provider who doesn’t want a black man, there are a dozen civies who fantasize about you.

I try not to see providers with an AA policy on principle, even though I’m Anglo. Solidarity, Brother.

I have a NO AA policy but not on color ...on attitude
No arrogant assholes

Thank you for answering. I completely understand and no lady should have to deal with any asshole and should always be respected.

Thanks for the reply. That first experience caught me off guard because there was nothing in the ad that said anything about it. I didn't know what to think at that point other than how to make her not feel so uncomfortable about situation. I became way more aware after that. As the father of beautiful bi-racial kids, I truly respect everyone's right and preference to be with whomever they choose. The whole point of my question was based on whether a provider sees an African American man assume we are all thugs and pimps. I avoid those ladies who don't but it's the ones that don't put it in their ad so I would have no idea unless I should up which was the problem with my first experience.

Thanks for the reply. That is exactly how I feel about it and was just curious based on my first experience. It's not the ladies that post it that I am concerned with it's the one that don't. It's a situation I definitely don't want to be in again. Like you said, it is what it is.

I'm sorry you had to experience that. Its hurtful. I'm Caucasian but my boys are not and ive experienced a lot of racism bc of my boys being mixed. It used to hurt my feelings even thought hey didn't know what was going on at the time, I felt outraged many times. I don't care what color you are. If you are a respectable man then that's all that really matters here to me. You will be fine. Tons of beautiful ladies here see African American Gents.. From your post you seem pretty mature and respectful.
Just my 2 pennies
Beth

WHAT? AA means African American?

I thought it meant Alcoholics Anonymous.:giggles:

But seriously, racism permeates all of our institutions, including this one.
Those of us who grew up in the 50s and 60s remember the signs in the diners that said: “ We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” Same thing here. It’s sad and unfortunate. Our culture hasn’t grown and evolved enough yet.

We shall overcome...I hope.

Thank Beth.

Unfortunately, it is stereotyping. And it is a form of risk management based on their or other's experience.

I completely agree with you and I feel badly for those ladies that have had to deal with that crap. It is exactly why I posed the question. It was purely based on my experiences so far. As I mentioned in the post, I respect all of these ladies and I definitely respect their right and/preference to be with whom every they choose.

I used to see AA men and now only see the AA men that are regulars because I just had an AA male try and rob me and take back HIS donation. He left and staked outside of my hotel room waiting for me to leave, but honestly if an Aa guy shows up and seems respectful yet I didn’t know he was AA I’d still probably see him, a lot of girls I know who do this won’t see AA men because of just bad experiences or they always get haggled. Damn how many times did I say AA lol. Love my chocolate men tho ;)

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I used to see AA men and now only see the AA men that are regulars because I just had an AA male try and rob me and take back HIS donation. He left and staked outside of my hotel room waiting for me to leave, but honestly if an Aa guy shows up and seems respectful yet I didn’t know he was AA I’d still probably see him, a lot of girls I know who do this won’t see AA men because of just bad experiences or they always get haggled. Damn how many times did I say AA lol. Love my chocolate men tho ;)

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I’ve read lots of stories about white guys stealing and haggling. But I’ve yet to see a woman refuse to see white guys because of it.

Regardless of race i am picky about who I see...as long as you pass my screening and have a respectful attitude then were gonna be all good.

Chocolate is delicious & vanilla, & butterscotch & mixed flavors :nicethread:

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Chocolate is delicious & vanilla, & butterscotch & mixed flavors :nicethread:

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Like. One of my most delicious experiences here has been the variety of races and ethnicities available. Black, brown, white, red, yellow, and all colors in between. I’ve loved them all.

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Regardless of race i am picky about who I see...as long as you pass my screening and have a respectful attitude then were gonna be all good.

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That’s as it should be.

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Originally Posted by Caseykk

I used to see AA men and now only see the AA men that are regulars because I just had an AA male try and rob me and take back HIS donation. He left and staked outside of my hotel room waiting for me to leave, but honestly if an Aa guy shows up and seems respectful yet I didn’t know he was AA I’d still probably see him, a lot of girls I know who do this won’t see AA men because of just bad experiences or they always get haggled. Damn how many times did I say AA lol. Love my chocolate men tho ;)

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I don't blame you for being cautious in dealing with any disrespectful asshole no matter what their race is. Why should have haggle over your donations. If they don't like it then don't pay it. There is no circumstance where a woman should ever be disrespected. I am sure there are a lot of guys who would disagree with me on that. I was raise by a strong southern mother and she taught me that a woman she never be disrespected or made feel less than her worth.

I was making my post based on my experiences. It was just about being judged based on the behavior of others. I have the belief that, how you treat someone else isn't my business but how you treat me is. My interactions with someone isn't based on their interactions with someone else. I can only judge them based on how they are with me.

Its simple. Even some girls in the hobby are racist. Maybe some are just ignorant and/or prejudice. Or maybe they just think they can get over on white men easier with low quality services. To me, if you're willing to take money and fuck random guys for a living, but a black man is your hard no.... You're racist lol.

And im not trying to hear, the bad experience BS. If a black man steals from a store, should that store ban all black men? Lets be real.... Lets a say a white man robs one of these NO AA girls today. He robs her at gun point and steals everything in her house.... Do you think she's going to have a No White Men policy on her ads tomorrow?... Hell no! lol

Those girls use the "bad experience" as an excuse. But its fine. They dont have to like black men. I rather spend my money on the more educated providers who dont think less of other races. I rather her be real and upfront than to hide it; I go see her and she's not even into it, or thinks I'm gonna rob her the whole time because she's ignorant. Its her loss not mine. Less money for that girl and a less of a orgasm is the way I see it.

Anyone who says "No AA" is a racist. Period. I'm sure plenty of stores pre-desegregation used the "this one time a black man robbed me" excuse as well. If we deregulated these stores just like this industry, plenty would go back to doing the same thing. Especially in the South. Just own it. You're a racist. It's just the definition of the word.

To answer the question, I do not associate AA with thugs, pimps or degenerates. To be quite honest, the only people I truly associate those words with, are politicians.


Xo

The fact that a girl that does this for living can still think they are better than ANYONE black or not, trips me out. :doh:

Sorry this happens to you, deesmooth. I think a lot of racism happens subconsciously, because we are all kind of hard-wired for pattern matching. Problem is that we suck at it.

I imagine a lot of the no-AA gals think that they're just being cautious, but if that leads to a false sense of security, then it may be counterproductive. Seems like screening would take care of any concerns, but I have no idea what screening is really like for the gals. Maybe it is an imperfect process precisely because of unconscious biases.

You come off as very open-minded about the gals' reasons, though. I like to see acceptance of all ethnicities, but I don't screen out all no-AA gals, like some have mentioned, because I don't know their rationale. Everybody has their preferences when they think about getting down and personal with someone. It does come off kind of negative, though, and so maybe I have an unconscious bias against the no-AA gals.

Some gals won't see anyone above or below a certain age. One gal even posted no moustaches, no exception! I know that's not the same thing, though, and I hope you find like-minded people in the community that you can have some satisfying adult fun with.

Honestly that's why I only see ladies that have AA friendly or Melanin friendly, on their page or in their ads. So I know I want be turned down because of my skin color, sad but that's the nature of the hobby.

I LOVE catering to the AA man! You will always be accepted here and treated as the kings you are!!!! I love you all! xoxo

Tis true. Racism is still alive and well, even in our little world of the hobby.

I, also, see it in ISOs where it is clearly made known that an AA lady need not reply.

It used to bother me, long ago. But I don't waste my time trying to make sense of it any longer.

Suppose it boils down to preference. *Shrug*
Perhaps even due to a previous bad experience. *Another shrug*

All I can do is present myself in my true form, (which if I may so say, has always been unique). And, also provide the best experience for anyone whom visits with me.

Same as for the gentlemen. Just be you, and contact ladies that have no preformed judgements based upon the color of your skin.

I can only hope we, as people, will get passed such judgement. But wouldn't put any money on that stock, at least anytime soon. ;)

*curtsy*

I thought No AA was anal related when I first started. A no AA provider was my second encounter and when she opened the door she freaked out. I was so confused and I sure wouldn't want to go through that again.

That's one of the reasons why I don't like to branch out to new providers often and I have to say I'm AA in my first message. I was turned away from a black woman once, which blows my mind.

It does suck reading an AD and you scroll down to that signature section and see the dreaded NO AA policy. It hurts your soul every-time.

I don't care about a person's race but I do believe a lady has a right to see who she chooses. She shouldn't be judged because of it either.

Having a preferences does not make someone a racist. Just as as a client has a right to only see spinners and not a bbw, see a milf and not an 18 year old. To see an Asian lady and not a Hispanic lady. See ladies who only swallow and not spit, see a 6ft lady and not a petite 4'11" lady, see a lady who does anal and not. These are all preferences yet they are not judged like the other. These are not seen the same and are just typically listed as a personal taste. Nope sorry these are preferences. If you will only see a lady that is a certain age, an ethnicity, a certain weight or body type, offers a certain service and so on it is the same. You are no different that a lady who chooses to see a certain guy based on certain criteria.

Just because there is money envolved it does not mean someone else's preferences become better than the other. I don't judge clients who prefer a lady that is different than I am so why should a lady that prefers a certain type be any different. You are no better than a lady doing the same. Sorry but thats the the same kinda shit. Unless you as a client have no restrictions and will see anyone no matter age, color, body type.. weight, service level etc then you should not be telling a lady who she should and should not see. Just like she is not jumping your ass for having certain preferences of your own.

I always start my introductions to any lovely new Provider with an "I hope you like chocolate" icebreaker. Of course there are those that don't get the joke and I actually have to break it down, and then there are the lovely ones that get my humor and it makes for such a great experience.

I've shown up to a provider's incall clean cut in thousand dollar suits and still have had the door closed in my face. I guess it doesn't help that I'm 6'3" and 240lbs, pretty intimidating. ...lol

This Big Booty Vixen absolutely LOVES Black Kings<3 That will never be something to worry about here;)

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This Big Booty Vixen absolutely LOVES Black Kings<3 That will never be something to worry about here;)

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Dang, I need to get down to San Antonio. Maybe I need to relocate.

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I haven't ever had any serious problems
with AA client's
Serious problems with white clients trying to slide the condom off, internet stalking, writing stooopid shit that wasn't true, entitlement issues more prevalent in white men (not saying every single white man is part of the statistics) I give everyone a chance and experience something without any prejudice compromise. I speak about the men I Have ALREADY seen.

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I don't care about a person's race but I do believe a lady has a right to see who she chooses. She shouldn't be judged because of it either.

Having a preferences does not make someone a racist. Just as as a client has a right to only see spinners and not a bbw, see a milf and not an 18 year old. To see an Asian lady and not a Hispanic lady. See ladies who only swallow and not spit, see a 6ft lady and not a petite 4'11" lady, see a lady who does anal and not. These are all preferences yet they are not judged like the other. These are not seen the same and are just typically listed as a personal taste. Nope sorry these are preferences. If you will only see a lady that is a certain age, an ethnicity, a certain weight or body type, offers a certain service and so on it is the same. You are no different that a lady who chooses to see a certain guy based on certain criteria.

Just because there is money envolved it does not mean someone else's preferences become better than the other. I don't judge clients who prefer a lady that is different than I am so why should a lady that prefers a certain type be any different. You are no better than a lady doing the same. Sorry but thats the the same kinda shit. Unless you as a client have no restrictions and will see anyone no matter age, color, body type.. weight, service level etc then you should not be telling a lady who she should and should not see. Just like she is not jumping your ass for having certain preferences of your own.

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Agreed.
Do we really want to tell providers " You MUST see AA men or be labelled a racist?"

I was recently declined a session due to my age.
Should I assume she hates old people?
Or is it just a sexual preference?

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Agreed.
Do we really want to tell providers " You MUST see AA men or be labelled a racist?"

I was recently declined a session due to my age.
Should I assume she hates old people?
Or is it just a sexual preference?

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Yes!! It is unfortunate about the age thing. I know numerous ladies who have an age preference. It has nothing to do with the person and having no respect for them. They however are not comfortable fucking someone who is close in age to their dad or worse their grand papi. They aren't doing so to offend you! It's a preference and a comfort thing. Sometimes it is just really hard for a 20 something to connect and talk with a 50 year old. Just as I've heard from clients that they don't fuck providers who are around the age of their own daughters or grand daughters! Are they horrible guys because they are being picky? No they have preferences and after they get over the little head and start thinking with the big head they realize it's not really something that they're into.

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Originally Posted by britttany_love

I don't care about a person's race but I do believe a lady has a right to see who she chooses. She shouldn't be judged because of it either.

Having a preferences does not make someone a racist. Just as as a client has a right to only see spinners and not a bbw, see a milf and not an 18 year old. To see an Asian lady and not a Hispanic lady. See ladies who only swallow and not spit, see a 6ft lady and not a petite 4'11" lady, see a lady who does anal and not. These are all preferences yet they are not judged like the other. These are not seen the same and are just typically listed as a personal taste. Nope sorry these are preferences. If you will only see a lady that is a certain age, an ethnicity, a certain weight or body type, offers a certain service and so on it is the same. You are no different that a lady who chooses to see a certain guy based on certain criteria.

Just because there is money envolved it does not mean someone else's preferences become better than the other. I don't judge clients who prefer a lady that is different than I am so why should a lady that prefers a certain type be any different. You are no better than a lady doing the same. Sorry but thats the the same kinda shit. Unless you as a client have no restrictions and will see anyone no matter age, color, body type.. weight, service level etc then you should not be telling a lady who she should and should not see. Just like she is not jumping your ass for having certain preferences of your own.

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+1. Agree with Brit here. A preference is not necessarily racism.

If you are doing it bc you don't like black people (using the AA policy example -- but substitute any race here) then that's racism. If it's bc you think x y or z race is going to rob, beat, intimidate, or treat you like trash....then yes that's racism. If it's b/c you don't see them as equal, or that you are better than them, that's racism.

On the other hand if you simply have a physical attraction (or aversion) to certain races then you have every reason to not want to be sexually intimate with them. I totally agree with Brit here. This also goes back to what I always say: sex is sex, pay to play or not, attraction is attraction, chemistry is chemistry, and so on. Paying or accepting payment makes no difference in that equation.

Some people are just not attracted to certain other people. This is true within each person's very own race. What if you just don't like a certain typical feature(s) that are common of another race or their culture? Are there exceptions? Always. But we all have preferences. If you truly have no concept of being better than them, more important, smarter, more socially acceptable, or various other horseshit racist theories, then you aren't really being racist. You are just expressing a preference. If you have friend of that race, true friends, or could easily have one, or have had, or completely see no human difference....you are not racist. Racism is a ridiculous hate and superiority complex. Not a preference.

I do admit it though it smacks badly of racism when you see it. It's hard not to see it that way.

Still, I totally agree with Brit. Any girl, any *human*, should be free to have sex with whomever they desire to have sex. But for the reason mentioned above it's why I would highly advise girls to not put that in ads.

Instead just gather that info through discussion or collect it through your screening process. You will avoid a lot of hate that way.

-mg

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I don't care about a person's race but I do believe a lady has a right to see who she chooses. She shouldn't be judged because of it either.

Having a preferences does not make someone a racist. Just as as a client has a right to only see spinners and not a bbw, see a milf and not an 18 year old. To see an Asian lady and not a Hispanic lady. See ladies who only swallow and not spit, see a 6ft lady and not a petite 4'11" lady, see a lady who does anal and not. These are all preferences yet they are not judged like the other. These are not seen the same and are just typically listed as a personal taste. Nope sorry these are preferences. If you will only see a lady that is a certain age, an ethnicity, a certain weight or body type, offers a certain service and so on it is the same. You are no different that a lady who chooses to see a certain guy based on certain criteria.

Just because there is money envolved it does not mean someone else's preferences become better than the other. I don't judge clients who prefer a lady that is different than I am so why should a lady that prefers a certain type be any different. You are no better than a lady doing the same. Sorry but thats the the same kinda shit. Unless you as a client have no restrictions and will see anyone no matter age, color, body type.. weight, service level etc then you should not be telling a lady who she should and should not see. Just like she is not jumping your ass for having certain preferences of your own.

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I couldn't agree with you more! I said in my very first statement that I don't judge anyone for their preference. Everyone has the right to see who they want to see and they shouldn't be judged for it in any way. The whole point was about equating me with whatever experience they may have had with someone else. I wouldn't judge every provider based on a bad experience I had with another. That was my whole point; especially after one provider told me what she thought the reasons were.

Like I said, when you read the ad, it typically says, "NO AA, Thugs or pimps". I read that as if it is all one in the same and seems to only be related to African American men.

As for me, I do have a preference. My preference is a confident woman who is sure of herself and knows she is sexy and carries herself that way. Her size, race, color or anything else for that matter doesn't matter to me.

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+1. Agree with Brit here. A preference is not necessarily racism.

If you are doing it bc you don't like black people (using the AA policy example -- but substitute any race here) then that's racism. If it's bc you think x y or z race is going to rob, beat, intimidate, or treat you like trash....then yes that's racism. If it's b/c you don't see them as equal, or that you are better than them, that's racism.

On the other hand if you simply have a physical attraction (or aversion) to certain races then you have every reason to not want to be sexually intimate with them. I totally agree with Brit here. This also goes back to what I always say: sex is sex, pay to play or not, attraction is attraction, chemistry is chemistry, and so on. Paying or accepting payment makes no difference in that equation.

Some people are just not attracted to certain other people. This is true within each person's very own race. What if you just don't like a certain typical feature(s) that are common of another race or their culture? Are there exceptions? Always. But we all have preferences. If you truly have no concept of being better than them, more important, smarter, more socially acceptable, or various other horseshit racist theories, then you aren't really being racist. You are just expressing a preference. If you have friend of that race, true friends, or could easily have one, or have had, or completely see no human difference....you are not racist. Racism is a ridiculous hate and superiority complex. Not a preference.

I do admit it though it smacks badly of racism when you see it. It's hard not to see it that way.

Still, I totally agree with Brit. Any girl, any *human*, should be free to have sex with whomever they desire to have sex. But for the reason mentioned above it's why I would highly advise girls to not put that in ads.

Instead just gather that info through discussion or collect it through your screening process. You will avoid a lot of hate that way.

-mg

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Love me some Brittany :bigkiss:

That would be a move you wouldn't regret;) i'll rock your world and make you never wanna leave<3

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