Is pissed!

Get home, feed kiddos, come to my bedroom and turn on news. First it's coverage of Sante Fe and then local on the Bever 911 call. Why does anyone want to hear the 911 of a dying child, why?

I shed a few tears this afternoon because of another school shooting. Young innocent lives lost and an obviously a mentally disturbed child who did the most ultimate horrific thing.

So I'm deep in thought over it all, plus how the news reports it. The staging, the clips of distraught children etc...

Then my email goes off and it's from X about need more gun reforms and providing three links for ME to check out.

Needless to say I replied with true Blaze fashion. I informed the bot or possibly a human how they needed professional help, spamming me even before these children were even buried. I said much much more and it was cold.

The 2nd Amendment works, current gun laws work and you can't always fix crazy. As I write this I'm reminded of how I am becoming desensitized in part to this whole issue. While I do not own own a gun, Im pro NRA and gun rights. It's like I've become a person who can't even entertain a conversation of reform because why do we need laws for laws?

Still yet, had that child not gained possession of his father's guns,, he still would have blown shit up!

We live in a world where children do not respect guns or the rules of gun handling. When are parents or caregivers going to protect their guns? When are they going to be responsible with ownership. When when when?

I remember going to school and trucks having gun racks, plus sometimes there were actually guns on them. I wss raised in the country and gree up around hand guns, riffles, and shotguns. I got my first BB gun when I wss like 7yrs old. I never once consisered even looking at either one of my parents guns without permission, much less breathe on one of them. I knew where they were put out at night or when we left the house. My son was raised the same with his arsonal.

Why do they muddle the facts with these shootings? Normal people and most people with mental issues do NOT do these things. A person who does, has issues most of us can't wrap our heads around. Even a two yr old will develope a plan and scale a high rise to get that thing it wants....

Rant over.

[QUOTE=Blaze;154532]Get home, feed kiddos, come to my bedroom and turn on news. First it's coverage of Sante Fe and then local on the Bever 911 call. Why does anyone want to hear the 911 of a dying child, why?

I shed a few tears this afternoon because of another school shooting. Young innocent lives lost and an obviously a mentally disturbed child who did the most ultimate horrific thing.

So I'm deep in thought over it all, plus how the news reports it. The staging, the clips of distraught children etc...

Then my email goes off and it's from X about need more gun reforms and providing three links for ME to check out.

Needless to say I replied with true Blaze fashion. I informed the bot or possibly a human how they needed professional help, spamming me even before these children were even buried. I said much much more and it was cold.

The 2nd Amendment works, current gun laws work and you can't always fix crazy. As I write this I'm reminded of how I am becoming desensitized in part to this whole issue. While I do not own own a gun, Im pro NRA and gun rights. It's like I've become a person who can't even entertain a conversation of reform because why do we need laws for laws?

Still yet, had that child not gained possession of his father's guns,, he still would have blown shit up!

We live in a world where children do not respect guns or the rules of gun handling. When are parents or caregivers going to protect their guns? When are they going to be responsible with ownership. When when when?

I remember going to school and trucks having gun racks, plus sometimes there were actually guns on them. I wss raised in the country and gree up around hand guns, riffles, and shotguns. I got my first BB gun when I wss like 7yrs old. I never once consisered even looking at either one of my parents guns without permission, much less breathe on one of them. I knew where they were put out at night or when we left the house. My son was raised the same with his arsonal.

Why do they muddle the facts with these shootings? Normal people and most people with mental issues do NOT do these things. A person who does, has issues most of us can't wrap our heads around. Even a two yr old will develope a plan and scale a high rise to get that thing it wants....

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Thank you !! We need more common sense people like you in this country.. Let me add, you are not becoming de-sensitized! You just are not involving yourself In the sensationalism of it all.

I felt the same way this morning Blaze. What the heck is happening to our country?

I don't understand either? Because of snowflakes and abusive parents we can only discipline our children with the constant fear of being punished and labeled ourselves. It's a constant clash of far right and far left,,, where is the center?

This kids have so much technology I don't even understand,, at their fingertips. Then too much times on their hands.

You are right Winn-Dixie ( great perspective btw) I do not want to give audience to that which fuels and feeds the animal the media and social media platforms have created. To me, it's like handing these kids a lighted match.

I grew up in a house with several shotguns propped up in every corner, and you couldn't open a closet without them falling out.... literally falling out.
My father was a gunsmith...owned and operated a gun shop out of our home. Sometimes his customers couldn't pay for his services so they bartered and traded with him. We had enough to supply a militia, and most of them were not ever registered...with many that didn't have serial numbers on them. A lot of 'kit' guns, many antiques... My father also hosted the weekly gun club for our county, right in our backyard. I had handled so many guns as a very young child. My sisters and I all learned to shoot at the age of 4. We were then initiated into the gun club. We also taught how to break them down and rebuild them. The guns propped up in corners? Finished guns waiting to be picked up, and since both parents worked full-time jobs outside of the home, it was up to us girls to answer the door and give the right gun to the right customers. They all had yellow receipts rolled up and sticking out of the barrels.

Our way of life was passed down to the grandchildren and now the great-grandchildren. My great nephew just learned how to shoot his first gun two weeks ago, at the age of 6...he's getting a late start.

How many accidents have we had? ZERO. How often did we irresponsibly handle a gun? ZERO. Four generations and not one little issue.

It is about teaching gun safety and respecting the power they possess and you possess while you handle them. Yes, but that is all secondary to teaching how to be a respectful, responsible, loving and caring human being. Without that, the gun safety goes out the window.

Trace back in history to 1964 and LBJs Great Society that destroyed the country. People thought J Edgar Hoover was out of control. He is a piker compared to the scum at the top of the FBI and CIA. People just had to elect a black president so they elected a subversive socialist Obama. You have to read Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals to understand what is happening today. Saul was a mentor of Obama and Hillary, and everything you see today follows his rules to the T. The Democrats and media condemn Trump for calling MS-13 animals - that is exactly what most Americans call them. Why isn't the military called out = round up these scum and either deport them or preferably kill them. in 1962 the Soviet Union put out its plan to destroy America, and #15 on the plan is to take over at least one of the major parties, and what do you think we are seeing today. Nikita Kruschev came right out and said he would destroy America from within. They are trying to deflect attention from their stated goal to destroy America by pushing gun control. Stop arguing about guns and go for the head of the snake and attack the Democrat party and the media. Another thing why is George Soros still alive? Another thing, destroy the socialist lead NEA they are filling kids heads with hatred and socialist teachings. Look at what has destroyed Europe - socialism. If you don't know it yet Europe is dead thanks to the European Union.

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I grew up in a house with several shotguns propped up in every corner, and you couldn't open a closet without them falling out.... literally falling out.
My father was a gunsmith...owned and operated a gun shop out of our home. Sometimes his customers couldn't pay for his services so they bartered and traded with him. We had enough to supply a militia, and most of them were not ever registered...with many that didn't have serial numbers on them. A lot of 'kit' guns, many antiques... My father also hosted the weekly gun club for our county, right in our backyard. I had handled so many guns as a very young child. My sisters and I all learned to shoot at the age of 4. We were then initiated into the gun club. We also taught how to break them down and rebuild them. The guns propped up in corners? Finished guns waiting to be picked up, and since both parents worked full-time jobs outside of the home, it was up to us girls to answer the door and give the right gun to the right customers. They all had yellow receipts rolled up and sticking out of the barrels.

Our way of life was passed down to the grandchildren and now the great-grandchildren. My great nephew just learned how to shoot his first gun two weeks ago, at the age of 6...he's getting a late start.

How many accidents have we had? ZERO. How often did we irresponsibly handle a gun? ZERO. Four generations and not one little issue.

It is about teaching gun safety and respecting the power they possess and you possess while you handle them. Yes, but that is all secondary to teaching how to be a respectful, responsible, loving and caring human being. Without that, the gun safety goes out the window.

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I wish we had a "like" button....i'd hit it a few thousand times agreeing with that Suzy.

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Amen!! Kudos to suzanna and blaze!!

Blaze, I will have to look you up next fall when I come up to Tulsa for Wanenmacher's

I grew up watching my dad from a short distance where he would sit on the floor, on an old sheet. Spread out before him was all his brass to polish. Gawd I really do not like the smell of Brasso! Then from a distance I could watch him clean his guns. Gun oil not much better.

So then came a very uncomfortable phone call a couple years ago. Dad wanted to talk about death... he and my mom's wishes. Then on to his collectables ie.. his gun collection. Some of which are very very old. I said to him that I thought he should pass the guns to my oldest son. For one, I don't shoot, an not licensed, have two small children in the house again and so on. I thanked him and said,,, but feel free to let me inherit all the trains : )

I'm a very clumsy person and just have always thought I shouldn't own a gun. It has nothing to do with anything other than me trying to truthful in that I just shouldnt, probably. That's not to say I couldn't pull a trigger in a defense situation because I definitely could. I have no fear there.

It's like we're in a crescendo of sorts, everything and every side getting louder and more violent. I already know my temper and find myself becoming more reclusive. It's hard to out and not get an attitude. I still hold doors for people then turned around and get off by some young millennial in the parking lot. Grrr, then they mean mug you likes it's your fault wtf?

I'm mad because Trump cut my throat with signing those bills. I'm happy he's basically said FU to bad trade deals. I'm glad he wants to cut funding for PP and wants to build up our military.

The far left nut jobs and we'll as the far right religious nuts have caused this. I'm a conservative that doesn't want to vote for most if not all conservative candidates or incumbents. Yet I simply can't NOT vote.

I believe in free enterprise and the right to refuse service to anyone. I think if you want to be a Pastafarian or Moslum or whatever, fine, just don't go pushing your God crap on me. If you are CIS, Trans, Bi, gay or whatever,, everyone should be allowed to marry and be happy. I applaud business that say get over it we have 1 bathroom.. stand in line! If people wanna grow and blow clouds POWER to da Peoples!!! If the crazy nuts in California want to succeed, fine make them live in the bottom half of the state ijs... I think Okla has to many superintendents and people shouldn't get upset if they get plowed down for standing in the road on highways while protesting.

Our children are being indoctrinated and groomed with other people's values. They are kids and don't know or understand the full extent of all their choices or decisions. They only know they wanna get out of class and chant, only to say YA I was there!!!

Did you know,, you have to have a doctors note in order for you to tell daycares they can't eat their carb loaded, processed foods? I shit you not! Ohh I'm gonna hush now..

Well sure plan ahead, think Wannemachers is usually in Oct right?

My whole point is that their agenda is to put us on the defensive. We are on the defensive when we should be attacking them with everything we have. Limbaugh and Hannity are doing their best to get the word out, and the left knows they have no single person who can stand toe to toe with them so the left has taken the tactic of swarming the opponent with shear numbers. The socialist know that if you tell a lie enough times people will start to believe that it is true. You have to know your enemy and their tactics. http://www.newenglishreview.org/DL_A...ican_Politics/

I know I sound extreme but I would quote the great Barry Goldwater -"To my mind the single essential element on which all discoveries will be dependent is human freedom. I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! Acceptance Speech as the 1964 Republican Presidential candidate.

Barry is the father of modern conservatism, and he is who Reagan drew his inspiration. Anyone who thinks you can pray this away is insane. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. - HORSESHIT!! WE ARE AT WAR, EUROPE IS AT WAR We stand to lose everything unless we go on a relentless attack.

True that, once said or implied, the seed is planted.

Forum glitches will be fixed, will be fixed, will be fixed, lol.

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True that, once said or implied, the seed is planted.

Forum glitches will be fixed, will be fixed, will be fixed, lol.

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:love::love: I really need to spend some more time in Oklahoma

How about the good guy with a gun taking out the psycho shooter at Louie's on Hefner Lake? Yes people, that's how it's done!

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How about the good guy with a gun taking out the psycho shooter at Louie's on Hefner Lake? Yes people, that's how it's done!

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Notice how when a 'good person with a gun takes out the bad guy with the gun".. most of the main stream media ignore the story? Now, if the gunman had gone into the restaurant and no one was armed and killed 8 or 10 folks, that would have been on all the news channels every 30 seconds for 2 or 3 days.

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How about the good guy with a gun taking out the psycho shooter at Louie's on Hefner Lake? Yes people, that's how it's done!

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He was there to help- gotta love it!! H-E-R-O

It doesn't fit in with the liberal agenda. The things I talk about are real. People refuse to believe what they are seeing with their own eyes. The people who do see reality are dismissed as conspiracy theorists. Joe McCarthy saw it and he was dismissed as a nut case. J Edgar wrote about it and it was dismissed. Barry Goldwater knew about it ,and what did the press do, they demonized him and we ended up with the beginnings of the end with LBJ and his Great Society. Continue to brush off the truth, and believe what the media tells you, and you can brush off America. Gun control is only a means to an end, and that end is incremental Socialism leading to Communism. Your children will live in a Communist America - take that to the bank.
Really can't people see what the media does? People will lament the failings of the press and then turn right around and turn on CNN. You all really have to stop Keeping up with the Kardshians, and start objectively analysing what you are being sold.

The "free press" isn't free. It's a tool of the state.

Some of those kids who willingly march toward socialism are grandkids of folks who fought against, and had family and friends die from the oppression of socialism.

Brazil is considering closing its border with Venezuela because over five thousand refugees a day have been pouring into Brazil for months. First, their attitude was that they wanted to help their brown brothers. But now, Brazil's economy and way of life is being threatened. They now have thousands of homeless people in their streets. Their infrastructure can't support the influx. But kids here insist that true socialism works. No one asks Bernie Sanders to put up refugees in any of his three million-dollar houses, though.

Che Guevara who killed anyone who dissented, killed intellectuals and political and social elites would now find his face on tens of thousands of t-shirts celebrating his reign of terror.

It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world. "Bread and circuses," y'all..

CBS did pick up the OKC restaurant story. I just don't understand why these kids think they will get away with it? Is it just a case of suicide by cop, but they are so young with crazy hormones and under developed brains they have to take as many as they can with them?

He was twenty-eight. Not a kid. A grown-ass man. Another loon with a history and plenty of warning.

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The "free press" isn't free. It's a tool of the state.

Some of those kids who willingly march toward socialism are grandkids of folks who fought against, and had family and friends die from the oppression of socialism.

Brazil is considering closing its border with Venezuela because over five thousand refugees a day have been pouring into Brazil for months. First, their attitude was that they wanted to help their brown brothers. But now, Brazil's economy and way of life is being threatened. They now have thousands of homeless people in their streets. Their infrastructure can't support the influx. But kids here insist that true socialism works. No one asks Bernie Sanders to put up refugees in any of his three million-dollar houses, though.

Che Guevara who killed anyone who dissented, killed intellectuals and political and social elites would now find his face on tens of thousands of t-shirts celebrating his reign of terror.

It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world. "Bread and circuses," y'all..

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Intelligent post. A socialist tactic is to besmirch the the reputation of anyone who points out their agenda or tactics. When they silence all the critics life in America will be over. The press is part of the socialist movement along with the Democrat party which has been totally taken over. After 12/7/1941 America pulled together to fight the enemy, after 9-11 we pulled together for a short time and then came along the Great Divider Obama, and look at the insanity that followed. Some call Obama the worst President ever, I prefer to call him the most anti-America President.

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I was talking about both, OKC and school shootings.

great thread and I totally agree with PF...

Talk about liberal media... Trying to pry my eyes open this morning, I look at notifications. Accidently hit an email and its from The Huffington post. Their dramatical headlines added to my nausea.

Pretty pleased that I was able to fort thru all the candidates and go vote. I have my runoff list prepared. I wonder Trump will pick for SCOTUS? I think he should get this done quickly since he's already had a list in front of him, not to mention he considered a few.

I’m with you Blaze. So while I think he already has a short list of 40+ I’m guessing the final 3-4 are already identified. Out of respect for the retiring justice he will wait to make an announcement until the date the retirement takes effect. But then I’m hoping in a week or two thereafter the candidate is nominated.

As devisive as Trump has become, I’m very thankful he and not Hillary, are making SC selections. I can’t imagine what this country would look like if we lost the conservative slant at SCOTUS. Would the constitution even matter if the far lefties were to take over?

According to the leftists the Constitution is an old, irrelevant document that just needs to go away.

List of SCOTUS candidates
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...t-trump-679941

Oh even the lefties are about changing rules too!
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...porters-634998

Retirement Daye for Judge Kennedy July 31st
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...627-story.html