very simple, providers want it up-front, we want to pay after the services, just saying.
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very simple, providers want it up-front, we want to pay after the services, just saying.
I have a strict shower rule and
offer a FREE shower with FREE soap upon your arrival.
So, I like my gift right after you're out the shower ....
then the play will begin.
Idk, maybe it's something about a freshly showered naked guy
handing me money.
This way works 'for me' and I know a guy is not gonna run out of my
Incall naked, because at this point I have your clothes placed away
and most likely you're not leaving until after you've busted a nut.
My repeats I let wait till after...but most guys drop it on the table firsthand...now before a gent leaves I will scan the room and if I dont see the donation I will remind them.
I always always give it before. Will place the gift on a nearby dresser or table as I walk in unless she gives me instructions otherwise. No need for me to make things awkward or prompt interruption.
Before. On the table, ill count it after but before he leaves
I always prefer before and expect before if your new.
If its a guy I've seen MULTIPLE times not just 1 or 2 times.
I Don't mind after because I somewhat know your not going to try to scam me.( it has happened before when I was new..guy "Attempted" to short me 20 bucks..smh)
....if you prefer paying someone after that means your not sure about her level of service...I'm assuming...I get it.
^Well if you forget something, I'm plenty stocked :)
Nobody has ever asked me for a risque refund, but 4 times in 11 years of happy ******ing I've voluntarily stopped sessions, returned all or part of the donations, and sent the gents on their ways. It was obvious that we weren't connecting on the right level.
The first was a foreign fellow in his 20s who dropped his clothes less than a minute after the door closed and while I was pouring drinks, pinched my Fancy fanny hard enough to leave a bruise, then BIT my lip in the introductory kiss and drew blood! No, sir, just grab your envelope, turn around and leave right now, naked if you have to before my stiletto ends up somewhere that requires an ER to remove!
Another was a gent of 30 who had just gotten out of the military after a stint in the desert overseas, seemed "far away" and detached, just going through the motions. I theorized that he needed something that I couldn't give him, and I recommended he take some time to himself and get used to civilian life again, perhaps seek out some PTSD counseling. We talked for the rest of the time booked, and while I could have kept his money, I sent him off with his entire donation and my best wishes.
A different, but again, far younger lad called me "Mommy" at a rather delicate moment with Fancy on her knees (he's lucky I didn't choke up and clamp my chompers down!), and also wanted me to "change" him (he whipped out a diaper from a bag he had brought!), and that sent the mood plummeting immediately for me. No, dear, choose someone who's into that sort of thing and advertises so, please. (I've never changed a diaper and intend to hold on to that record, and only my wee woofs may regard me as mutt mother material.)
And lastly, there was the young man who wanted the experienced older woman "Graduate" fantasy, only no slow, sensual seduction and erotic education took place; he plowed me like a dry farm, pummeled me as if I was a trampoline, and twisted me like Gumby. I'm not an Olympic marathon event! I had to end the session early before something got bent the wrong way!
And if anybody ever wondered WHY I don't entertain Hobbyists under 40, there you have it.
^^
I won't give all the details of my trainwreck session that led to my knuckles getting skinned and my front door getting destroyed (but now I have solid mahogany though!), but this gal from BP shows up for a hh outcall. She comes in, I set the donation down, she picks it up, counts it, stuffs it away, and then said, "My stomach is hurting. I need a few minutes."
So I offered her some Tums, some snacks, ask her if there's anything I can do to help. She says no, she just needs a few minutes. I said fine. So we just chatted for a while until she felt better. And it came out that she was on her monthly. And that's why her stomach was hurting. So I told her she should have told me that when we were negotiating. And that, after spending 20 minutes like this, according to her we had 10 minutes left on the session clock. So I said, "Umm sweety, I've gotten ripped off on BP before, and I'm done getting ripped off. So I'm going to need my donation back, and you're going to need to exit the premises."
With her pimp in the parking lot, after that, let's just say, things got interesting. I got the donation back eventually, but had to replace my front door, courtesy of her pimp, and bandage my skinned knuckles...
now, that is I call, tough love. I had my share of coocko providers. but that is all in the past. I don't hobby too much anymore, so that cut down my bad experiences a lot. LOL.
providers please don't think or assume everybody under 40 is immature, you be surprise how many 50,60, even 70 y/o, are very immature.
True. I have met a smattering of lovely, polite fellows a few decades my junior in the Hobby, but I just feel more comfortably relaxed sticking to 40+ these days. We usually have more in common physically, intellectually, socially, historically, and therefore the visits tend to smoothy and naturally evolve into true companionable GFE. The older gents apparently like to get out and about more, in MY experience, anyway. Never had anyone under 40 take me to a movie, play, casino, dinner, a museum, on a vacation, shopping, and only once on one of my beloved RenFest outings. More disposable income for the elder crowd, or less likelihood someone will take me for a lad's maternal figure or great aunt?
Passion power to the cougars here, by the way, who embrace eager young lusty fans!
Dang, pxmcc, sounds like a harrowing experience! Should have left some scratches on the door and several notches, alongside a swatch of "fur" as a warning to other bears, grin.
^^Fancy ur fooking hilarious..
Seriously, pxmcc, you KNOW better than putting yourself in that situation. Lol. Glad you made it out ok.
Actually, I wouldn’t assume that. It’s for two other reasons I can think of, as well. One, to ensure you’re not going to get arrested, which is sort of like not being sure, but different. But more times, it’s simply that both parties are totally legit and have been well screened and feel comfortable and perhaps like the date to feel less transactional. Paying upfront can diminish the experience for some guys, some really nice, genuine guys. Especially when new.
Then I have other return friends who like to (almost) ceremoniously pay me as soon as they walk in the door because we both get off on the idea of it. Lol.
I would rather get it before we get down to business.
I always pay up front.
It was a mistake once, where I paid for 90 min, and after 45 min we weren't clicking. So, I left. That one was probably my fault, because i did 90 min on the first meeting.
As with any "relationship" I tend to give someone the benefit of the doubt, consider the initial meeting a test of good faith, and always step up first. Sure there are risks, as with anything, but Karma is an unforgiving God and anyone who base their activities on a win-lose model and feel the need to "get over" on others, condemn themselves to a sorry existence of bitterness, need and despair.
Dang it, I just wish the ladies would pay for all the fake orgasms I give them. My 1.3" of dangling death needs some positive re-enforcement ... You know that is when I paid by the inch, too.
I still give it first thing after the introduction. My one totally bad experience was with with a gal I refer to as Miss "I don't do that"/ Cash and Dash. Took my cash, told me everything she didn't do, got huffy about a BJ, dressed, hauled ass and, in turn, received the only scathing Review I've ever written.
I like to hope her business and reputation suffered for some time.
I've always paid up front but then I've always seen highly reviewed providers because I don't like surprises. I think some guys get off on the surprise aspect or being the "first" to see the new girl in town for lots of different reasons. PX described a scenario where he got bit by a BP girl and her pimp. I would imagine there is an adrenaline rush that comes with that type of encounter. Same with SW's. There's a danger factor there that enhances the experience. If you're going to go in for that type of experience though you're going to have to expect to get burned as often as not.
Who was? The gal that got PX jacked up? He said she was a BP girl. I remember the shit on the other site but didn't remember that she was a member. I'm getting old!
That was just and example to illustrate my point though which remains the same. Some of us don't like surprises and don't like the danger of taking risky chances. Some need to feel the adrenaline rush or feel like they got away with something. I've never picked up a SW but I have gone into Smoochee's with a FWB. It was something she wanted to do and couldn't get her SO to do take her so she and I went. I was a rush. Not only because we were kind of out in public which was something we hadn't done before, other than just meeting for lunch then getting a room, but there were other people around watching us. We went to lunch afterward and both had shit eating grins because we got away with it.
I'd never take a chance like that with a provider unless I knew her well but some guys like taking those chances with new or unknown girls. WALDT.
One small clarification. The only two things that got jacked in my trainwreck session were my door-which her pimp destroyed-and her pimp-whom i destroyed. This was my second pimp brawl, and brought my hobby career vs. pimp record to a respectable 1-1. lol. the first one i tried a 1-handed defense, and it didn't work out as well.. (Miliyah Session Goes Ufc, on icky..)
As soon as you enter the room. Spread out so I can visually count the bills on the dresser before you even consider getting undressed and if not then I, fully dressed, will ask for it and count it lol. Getting paid after is done.
JS stated in a clear and general manner....Gents/ladies... This protocol is NOT always one way or the other. It's good to 'air out' this item thru discussion and then all can decide for themselves what their policy should be..Quote:
very simple, providers want it up-front, we want to pay after the services, just saying.
My donation stays with me and I do not talk about M_N_Y at all...
...at the end of play, I mention that "I think you dropped this" -- and leave a small stack of paper clearly visible on the dresser.
I ALWAYS compensate the provider - no games of that sort with skittlez.
Ladies, I am sorry that there are guys that play like that... you should certainly share that info with your sisters :wtf:
I even compensate the 'poor service' provider exactly with what has been agreed to. I don't short her - even though she has not (IMHO) provided properly on her end of the bargain.
Then I will go back and write a clear NO review - and comment appropriately on subsequent reviews.
About 5% of my reviews are NO's (they are not given lightly) - and IMHO, the providers richly earned that rating.
RARELY (maybe about 5% of sessions) will I front the donation... I might do that if the provider doesn't (have the ability to) know me from Eccie or OH2 and asks for it.
If she does have that ability - and I have been thru her vetting process - via other providers, reviews, etc. then I think that she should know a bit of what to expect with me (pics, sweet treats) - and also that I will not fail her on compensation...
Ladies... IJS... To me it's a bit 'BP-ish' - a 'turn-off' with negative IOP - to ask for your donation 'up front'...
However, if I were a provider, I think that I would welcome the donation up front - and in certain circumstances, I would demand that YMMV.
That said, if I were seeing a well-known, long-time Eccie/ASPD gent with a good rep... my greater worry (visavis donation timing) would be to ensure that I plz him so much that he 'repeats' and tells his buddies...
I would want him leaving his donation feeling that he got his service - and more - and that he was very pleased at the value.
when a provider counts the donation in front of me, whether at the beginning or end of the session, she automatically goes on my dns..
i did make one exception. this girl had a rough life. after talking to her off the clock about some of the shit she had been through, i decided to give her a 2nd chance, cause it made sense why she counted the donation in front of me. glad i did. she became one of my atfs..
moral of the story: ladies, just...no.
You can blame that on guys not being honest and giving girls a bunch of singles wrapped in a 20 or cut up pieces of paper in envelopes. A lot of ladies do count it at some point during the session but its nothing to be offended about and has almost nothing to do with you as a person. You can skip all the games by just having it laid out.
I’ve “heard” that some view time with providers much like they view time with other professionals (e.g., lawyers and doctors). Lawyers will not invest much time until there is a retainer or you are a known entity from whom they are highly likely to be able to collect against. Doctors take insurance information before rendering services, essentially a form of secured promise for payment. So, if you visit new providers, you will likely be paying up front. As you build a history, then it might not matter as much when the consideration is exchanged.
I think what Kushella is saying is that the guy hands a donation. The donation has a $20 bill out the outside and on the inside is 1's where it was assumed that they were all $20's and thus was shorted big time.
To rockerrick's point that is very much in play. My all time favorite way of playing is venmo.